Talk:Nagartha

This article was nominated for deletion on 12 January 2012 (UTC). The result of the discussion was no consensus.

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Topic : Namadhari Nagartha- Please Dont' Delete — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.29.247.14 (talk • contribs) 00:03, 12 January 2012‎

Please don't delete this topic. Since Namadhari Nagartha is of one of the most Prestagious Jewel merchants community spread across karnatak, Andra and Tamilnadu. This page / article created for creating awareness about this community.

Let me know how to keep this article undelete and improve it.

I copy pasted few contents from the National commitee for backward classes Pdf, as a proof to show that this caste exists and its not the OBC caste any more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sureshnj (talk • contribs) 01:17, 12 January 2012‎

Thanks for creating Category to this Article - Suresh NJ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.29.247.14 (talk • contribs) 21:50, 21 January 2012‎

AFD

Please remove the deletion policy which is updated on the top of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.29.247.14 (talk • contribs) 21:51, 21 January 2012‎

Please do not remove the deletion notice while the article is still listed at Articles for Deletion.

While User:Pseudofusulina has put some real effort into this article (considerably more than just adding a category), most of the initial deletion rationale still holds. It's still in need of references (the one map isn't sufficient) and it's still an orphan. But primarily, it still desperately needs copyediting by someone with a solid knowledge of the topic and excellent English skills—which, sadly, rules out both you and me.

Consequently, I've re-added the relevant tags to this article in the hopes that editors will be attracted to come and make this an article worth keeping. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 07:10, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

So sorry my English is not up to snuff. Why don't you try editing an article about an Indian caste when most of the sources are in Kannada and Tamil? Whatever. Pseudofusulina (talk) 08:01, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And the tag you should really add is the biggest issue of all, "This article is not about a topic familiar to most English-speaking Westerners, so it will never be left without ugly banners across the top indicating how unwelcome the topic is on en.Wikipedia." Pseudofusulina (talk) 08:15, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yikes, wait a second! Are you (User:Pseudofusulina) saying that you're also User:199.29.247.14 and User:Sureshnj?? I assumed you weren't… (and if you are, you double-!voted on the AFD).

My "it still desperately needs copyediting by someone with a solid knowledge of the topic and excellent English skills—which, sadly, rules out both you and me" comment above was directed solely to User:199.29.247.14/User:Sureshnj, not you. I never said or meant to imply anything about your English skills!

Yes, even with your efforts (which I complimented above), I think the article still needs serious copyediting—but that's not a negative comment about you; more a reflection of the poor quality material you had to start with. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 08:38, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

When I look at this article on my screen it is overpowered by 4" of banners that scream it is a bad article. I am working on the article, I said I would add references, I have the book The Mysore Tribes and Castes, and I used some information from it and a couple of other books, and I'm trying to rewrite the article so it is readable and usable. But you overpower the article, while I am working on it, with signage to indicate that the article is worthless and needs tons of works, not to mention it should be deleted, thereby denying, at the very most public space, that any work I did was worthwhile.

While I am trying to link this article to other articles, I find out that every caste article I link to on en.wikipedia has glaring factual inaccuracies that must be corrected, researched, and sourced. Note that I say every en.wikipedia article on caste and glaring factual inaccuracies. I had to get a couple of texts from the university library to begin correcting these articles, while I left the introductory part of this article as accurate as possible.

But no one is going to read this article, because they won't get past the 4" of signage demanding that it be entirely rewritten by someone other than me or, better yet, deleted in its entirety from en.Wikipedia.

I see AFDs all the time about major Pakistani and Indian spiritual leaders with a hundred thousand google hits, towns the size of Berkeley, California, and politicians who've headed states for decades. I think the editors get chased away by the eagerness to tag and delete articles on South Asian topics.

It's clear my work is not worthwhile, and in the time it will take me to rewrite this well, it will probably just be deleted. I'll leave the article to the banner posters, as that activity seems to take precedence over everything else, like writing articles, on en.Wikipedia.

The Joshua Project gets Indian caste and tribal information from Indian Census reports. These are available in English, and the Joshua Project maps will let you know just which censuses to access; although these are primary reports, the Joshua Project map is a starting point. I imaging Kurdish census reports are politically bent. Pseudofusulina (talk) 16:29, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The impression I get from the above is that you object to tags in general as "banners that scream it is a bad article"—but (per Template messages/Cleanup, Tagging pages for problems, and Responsible tagging) that's neither the purpose or goal of tags.

In short: if you think that this article has cleanup tags where the issues have been fixed, be bold and remove them! Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 06:20, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

External Links

1) http://www.joshuaproject.net/people-profile.php?peo3=17742&rog3=IN — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.29.247.14 (talk) 08:25, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

2) http://books.google.com/books

3) http://judgmenthck.kar.nic.in/judgments/handle/123456789/323/browse?type=illustrator&order=ASC&rpp=20&value=AYODHYA+NAGARA+SHIVACHARYA+VYSYA+NAGARTHA+MAHANTHI

4) http://www.vedamsbooks.com/no42351/mysore-tribes-castes5-volsset-lka-iyer — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.29.247.14 (talk) 08:36, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The article doesn't need external links, it needs verifiable and reliable secondary sources. As far as the above go:

Per Kurdish diaspora relying heavily on the Joshua Project and Reliability of the Joshua Project as source, the Joshua Project is not a reliable source.
A link to Google books isn't a source.
I'm not sure if we're looking at the same result of that link; when I follow it to the end, I'm at this page—which doesn't appear to include the word "Nagartha."
This book looks promising. It appears rather pricey, though; do you have access to it? If not, we'd need to find someone who does. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 09:16, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Copyediting needed

Just to be clear, here's the article's last five paragraphs as an example of what I mean by needing copyediting:

Nagartha also called Savira gotradavaru (Ayiravaishyar in Tamil )

It is believed that Shivachar lingayathas or Nagartha Lingayathas are very close to Namadhari Nagarthas. Since both the castes will follow almost same rules and regularities in culture.

Namdhari Nagartha having Registered Sanga Samsthe in Bangalore and were planned to add this caste into OBC to get the reservations in Government.

The National Commission for Backward Classes Government of India has been rejected and states that this caste is no more come under OBC.

Since all are well educated and their ceremonies are almost common in Brahmins or Lingayathas.

Problems with the above include grammar, punctuation, and sentence fragments. But mostly, it's {{unreferenced}}, {{incoherent}}, and {{confusing}}. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 08:39, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have tidied up the article and I hope the syntax is now acceptable. I am not sure I have fully understood the "Other Backward Class" issue, so please check that I have not introduced any errors. I oppose deletion and I request that more time is allowed for additional references to be added. Biscuittin (talk) 15:28, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Now Article looks good , Please remove the top banner - Suresh NJ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.99.179.39 (talk) 18:13, 16 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]