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The club which this article is about was abolished/terminated in the year 2004. The new club that was formed in the year 2005 as NK Bežigrad (later NK Bežigrad Olimpija) and changed their name to NK Olimpija is legally not considered as the succesor of the previous club. History, tradition, statistics, titles and honours that are named in this article all belong to a different club. Slovenian football association (NZS), Slovenian first division (Prva Liga - 1.SNL) do not recognize the statistics before 2005. Ratipok (talk) 19:54, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. At some point in the past someone had deleted all the information about the Olimpija which traced its roots back to 1911 and folded in 2004 and turned this into an article about the club esablished in 2005 which was originally called NK Bežigrad, only to be renamed in 2008 Olimpija. For all legal and practical purposes these are two different clubs which merit their own articles. This aticle should be then renamed to something along the lines of NK Olimpija Ljubljana (2005) and information aout old Olimpija should be copied from the article's history and moved to a separate article, called something like NK Olimpija Ljubljana (1911). I will proceed to clean up this mess but I would like someone who is more informed about Olimpija's history to provide the exact year the original Olimpija was founded (as NK Ilirija was founded in 1911, which then went throuh several mergers and re-establishments). Timbouctou (talk) 19:54, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If I am not mistaken then the first time the old club took the name NK Olimpija was in 1962.Ratipok (talk) 10:10, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The official standing about the club from 1. SNL – PrvaLiga

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Slovene: 30/6/2010 Združenje 1. SNL obravnava NK Olimpija Ljubljana tako, kot veleva veljavna zakonodaja Republike Slovenije in tako kot so v zvezi z registracijo omenjenega društva postopali državni organi - torej kot pravno osebo/društvo, ustanovljeno leta 2005, ki si je tekmovalno pravico nastopa v Prvi ligi priigralo z uvrstitvijo iz 2. lige MNZ Ljubljana vse do prvaka 2. SNL v sezoni 2008/09 in je izpolnilo licenčne pogoje za tekmovanje v Prvi ligi. Vse to je razvidno tudi iz arhivskih statističnih podatkov na naši uradni spletni strani - NK Olimpija Ljubljana ima za seboj eno (1) sezono v Prvi ligi.

English: 30/6/2010 The association of 1. SNL treats NK Olimpija Ljubljana as according the applicable laws of Republic of Slovenia and in the same way as the registration of the association/club was carried out by state authorities - that is as legal entity/organization, founded in 2005 who won its right to play in first league with the classification from the 2. MNZ Ljubljana all the way to winning the second tier championship 2. SNL and had completed licesing conditions to compete in First league. All that is clear from the archive of statistical data on our official web site - NK Olimpija Ljubljana has had one (1) season in First division.

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Discussion about removed references

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Hi. I have seen that in early October you have been editing the NK Bežigrad article. Why have you been deleting references, claiming that the sources does not mention [or explain] a foundation date, when that was not the case? Are you a fluent Slovene and understand what was written in several articles from reliable and respected sources? Presumably not. I will take a look at your edits more closely within days and likely revert most of them. Next time when editing matters you do not understand I suggest you either look closely into it and think before editing or refrain from it altogether. Regards, Ratipok (talk) 03:12, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Your message tone was unnecessarily hostile. I previously made a number of changes to the article which I believe were helpful. I felt the article had a lot of POV (still does) in it which I was trying to reduce. Any references deleted were those where specific sources did not appear to be supporting the stated facts. No, I do not speak Slovene but a number were to do with dates or regarding text which seemed to be missing etc and hence I made the changes. Eldumpo (talk) 10:26, 13 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I still haven't had the time to look into the matter and revert what needs to be reverted, but I have made time just to explain a few things. Firstly, you have removed a number of well sourced and reliable references saying it does not show a date or foundation year of whatever the reason it was determined as unfit.. just to name a few..
  • You have removed this url [1] claiming that it doesn't contain a date and that its not from the official website, however, just by clicking on the link you can see that this is the archived version of the official website as it was a few years back when it explicitly stated "Športno društvo Nogometni klub Olimpija Ljubljana je bilo ustanovljeno 2. marca 2005, in sicer kot NK Bežigrad." which translates as "The Sports Society Football Club Olimpija Ljubljana was founded on 2 March 2005, as NK Bežigrad." and this is what the article on Wiki was explaining.
  • Siol, one of the biggest media in the country, in this article [2] continuously cites early 2005 as the foundation date for the club. Within the article there is also this "O tem, da korenine nove Olimpije sežejo le v leto 2005, je sprva beležila tudi klubska stran nove Olimpije, a je kmalu luč sveta ugledala nova enačica, ki pelje vse do leta 1911." which translates as "About the roots of Olimpija going back only in the year 2005, at first was recored on the official club website of the new Olimpija, but soon enough a new version saw the light of day which goes back to 1911." which was also explained within the article but was removed (POV?).
  • Furthermore, you have removed this link [3] from the RTV Slovenija which is the state-owned media house and one of the most respected (if not the most) media outlets in the country. Among other things it is written within the article "Klub je nastal marca 2005 kot NK Bežigrad.." which translates as "The club was founded in March 2005 as NK Bežigrad".
  • You have removed this url [4] from the official website of the Football Association of Slovenia. Within the url there is the confirmation that the club was founded in the year of 2005 (you need to click on "Ljubljana" to view the information as the club is based in that region).
  • This link [5] shows when the entity (club) was first registered and it clearly shows "2.3.2005" (dd.mm.yyyy), although you need to click the red link within the information to access further info about the entity.
Regards, Ratipok (talk) 05:54, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal

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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
The result of this discussion was to close as no merge... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:15, 16 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

See [6]. Please post any comments there. Eldumpo (talk) 20:21, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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