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A fact from Mystic, South Dakota appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 17 March 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that US president Calvin Coolidge left Mystic, South Dakota, in a lumber wagon?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/March. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mystic, South Dakota.

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The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 17:59, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that United States President Calvin Coolidge visited Mystic, South Dakota, in a lumber wagon?~~ Source: "President Panned Gold In Heart of Black Hills". Daily Deadwood Pioneer-Times. Deadwood, South Dakota. Associated Press. July 24, 1927. p. 1. Retrieved January 31, 2024 – via Newspapers.com.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Augustus Belknap
- Comment: Part of the article (but not the hook) does reference an offline reference, a book that I own. If the image quality isn't good enough for DYK standards (this was the maximum quality available from the archive) we can nix it.

5x expanded by TCMemoire (talk). Self-nominated at 12:17, 2 February 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Mystic, South Dakota; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

~~On it~~. Compliments on the good grammar, including that second comma. — LlywelynII 17:39, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TCMemoire: You can increase the quality of the image at the SD archive by clicking on the image. I already did that and uploaded a theoretically larger image, albeit one with about the same resolution quality. Since there's no source given except the archive, the photograph can't be assumed to have been published. It's probably in the public domain (definitely not worth removing from Wikicommons), but not 100% so on the basis of the information available. Similarly, the website may be wrong to apply it to this particular photo but the default permissions at the archive's page include requirements that wouldn't work with Wikicommons or DYK images. I'm not sure you want to continue with this hook without the picture, but just to be thorough:

~~[[File:Symbol possible vote.svg|16px]]~~ 5x is done and timely; long enough (5k chars.); no copyvio detected; no WP:BLP or similar issues; the QPQ isn't finished yet but is well started and the continued work on it can be assumed in good faith. As far as content: If there's 0 population, I don't know why the lead says "essentially a ghost town" (in what way isn't it?); timber is rather famously renewable; the nearness of the creek probably didn't contribute to the fires, which is what the current phrasing/grammar says; the last bit is unclear: do you really mean the NPS specifically protected 43 acres but won't tell anyone which specific ones they protected? If so, it needs explanation. If not, it needs rephrasing. You might want to replace the hook anyway given the picture issues. If you don't, you need to replace the hook anyway since the source says he left Mystic for Slate Creek on the wagon, not that he visited (i.e. entered and passed) on it. — LlywelynII 18:14, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@LlywelynII: RE: the image: thank you! We do not have to use it but can keep the hook; as stated, I am happy to proceed without it. I didn't immediately identify Mystic as a ghost town because there are a couple of modern houses, although these are likely to be summer cottages, according to Bruce Raisch, who visited and photographed the site; but in case they're not, I hesitate to make the jump all the way to "ghost town". Still, after sitting with it and doing some research on different definitions of a ghost town, I think I'm just going to do it and hope any lingering residents don't come after me with pitchforks.

About the NRHP thing, they listed it with an "address restricted" tag, so the nomination form is undigitized. According to Raisch's book, there are multiple buildings tucked away out of sight of the main road, so my thought is that the NRHP probably don't want to publicize those buildings to discourage trespassing (as they could be on private property). But this is speculation. However, there is apparently a plaque at the trailhead parking lot that shows the locations of some of the old ruins and which ones are listed (but undoubtedly doesn't show every property).

I cleared up the remaining phrasing issues. RE: the hook, how about (as he apparently only started walking when the going got tough... which we could also include because I think it's funny):

ALT1: ... that US President Calvin Coolidge left Mystic, South Dakota, in a lumber wagon?

Alternately, if we want to throw out Coolidge altogether:

ALT2: ... that Mystic, South Dakota, was the site of the first gold dredge in the Black Hills? Source: "First Placer Dredge in Black Hills". Mines and Mining. The Weekly Pioneer Times Mining Review. Deadwood, South Dakota. December 1, 1910. p. 4. Retrieved February 2, 2024 – via Newspapers.com.

In case we use this one, I wanted to clarify whether this was 1. the first electric placer mining dredge or the first gold dredge. The answer is, it was both; but I cannot find a good way of phrasing it for DYK that's not wordy, nor suggests two separate dredges. – T C Memoire 23:28, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nah, Cal is cool.

ALT1 is good to go. @TCMemoire: I turned United States President into US President for terseness and flow. You can undo that if you really like seeing it all written out. You might want to remove the link to Calvin Coolidge from the hook before it's promoted. It's up to you but I only ever link to my articles here since the idea is to promote them. If someone is interested in "which one was he again?" they can just click through to your article and find his link there. Anyway, worth considering. — LlywelynII 02:37, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you @LlywelynII:. Just realised this is the second DYK I've submitted that has mentioned Coolidge, the other was in 2022. I linked him there, so I think I'll keep the consistency. Thank you for correcting the United States > US abbreviation; I wasn't sure if there was a consensus on which to use. – T C Memoire 21:00, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]