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Infoboxes

hey, seems there already is a list of albums here. i don't remember it being announced on WP:EVA but I'm sure i missed it, so i already fixed the NGE:navigation box. anyways....i was wondering if we should keep the infoboxes or incorporate them into the NGE heading.Bread Ninja (talk) 15:38, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry, you didn't miss it, I'm just an inexperienced wikipedia user who started such a big project without any prior experience. Which NGE heading? Necrojesta (talk) 17:49, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
Ahhh, sorry do you mean an infobox at the top including all of the albums? --Necrojesta (talk) 17:52, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
It's fine, I'm sure everyone already saw it. Anyways, i was thinking about removing infoboxes, and the information on the infoboxes can be moved to the each respected section.Bread Ninja (talk) 18:59, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
Mhhhmmm Let me think for a little while, Ill research a bit first, If I decide to then I will do so as quickly as possible, and thanks for the edits so far ^^. Necrojesta (talk) 20:03, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
i hardly did anything but thanks anyways. We decided back in the krebmarkt's special page that removing them was best considering multi-infoboxes didn't look right.But let's see what other people have to say tooBread Ninja (talk) 16:06, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Evangelion 1.0

Would it be best If the two evangelion 1.0 albums were merged like the theme songs were?

If I understand right, basically like most decent character list article like in anime etc, you have picture-less paragraphs with all the information in and then you would have one picture off all the characters. That's the sort of minimalist look Wikipedia prefers, right? --Necrojesta (talk) 18:30, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
well images can be added as long as it meets Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline, but for character articles, they would have one or two images of the most important characters if there isn't an image of all the characters or maybe two images of a group of characters. so with that example, this is a list article so we don't need multi info-boxes or many images.if you want an example, Music of Kingdom Hearts shows a few examples of images incorporated into the article and being GA class.I'm sure there's one more reason I'm forgetting but I'll remember in a bit....Bread Ninja (talk) 18:38, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
I think I'll put an image of the seatbelts as well, I think If I were to remove all the infoboxes and incorporate them into the text, I'd have to balance it out with a few artists etc. Necrojesta (talk) 20:58, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm thinking about the wrong article sorry, more like yoko takahashi and shiro sagisu. thinking of my cowboy bebop albums article. Necrojesta (talk) 21:25, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Where are you heading?

That's the question, i ask you because i'm dumbfound on where this whole article want to go. --KrebMarkt 14:55, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, there isn't a specific direction for an article on wikipedia, it depends on who edits it, it was just suggested that all the album articles were merged together and so I did. Basically, I think just an article with information about each album, the infobox information can be put into the album sections. I'm just trying to add the information which was in the old articles to this, because it will be simpler for people. Necrojesta (talk) 15:47, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

also i question whether a separate English translation is necessary for rebuild of evangelion sections. did the CD come out of japan?Bread Ninja (talk) 19:39, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Seperate english translation? what do you mean? --Necrojesta (talk) 19:46, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

on the evangelion 2.0 English title (if applicable) section in the track list.Bread Ninja (talk) 19:50, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

you mean another column? --Necrojesta (talk) 20:11, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

no i dont mean using another column. i mean do we need that column we have there?Bread Ninja (talk) 21:05, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

sorry, I feel pretty stupid, it's just that the original creator of the page, and i large helper of another was kind of annoyed with the removed information so I added it in, think i should remove it then? Necrojesta (talk) 21:17, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
I think put the English name in and add put the Japanese name in the note section IF the CD came out of japan, if not then do the reverse. if you want nihongo template in the cd try using nohongo2 type. like this 光Hikari. Bread Ninja (talk) 21:22, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
That's the problem though, I have absolutely no clue about the tracklisting, It obviously came out of japan, so do you think it should be like this:
1. English Name (japanese name, romanized name) Length
notes

--Necrojesta (talk) 21:27, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

here's to help you out template:tracklist. you can add it those who helped have music credits (performers and those who did the song), lyrics credit (those who did the lyrics) and writers credit, those who did both, if for example a group did both lyrics and music but specifically by two different people within the group then simply add the group name on the writers section rather than two different people on the music and lyrics section. i can probably reformat it too.Bread Ninja (talk) 21:37, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

I normally use that template, Its just that there are too many different people and roles in the album, so I figured small notes might look better, think ti should be re-done? Necrojesta (talk) 21:48, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
If there are too many than yes, you should use those templates, in fact, it gives more reason to use them than to place them in the note section, note section would be used for alternate titles or versions.Bread Ninja (talk) 21:53, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
People are re-inventing the wheel again. Check what has already been done with anime list of soundtracks or discography. Then again i have to point at my user talk page. I don't want to get involved further with anything related to Evangelion because i'm too "indifferent" to that series so my edits could be rather rashes if i jump in. --KrebMarkt 21:55, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
I'll use the template with music, lyric etc, it should be done by tonight. So you didn't like Evangelion? It's really good, but of course after episode 18 or so it drops in quality quite noticeably, but still it was a massive step forward right? Necrojesta (talk) 21:58, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
people have there own opinions, lets leave it at that. Anyways... this was subject i brought up before, do we need every individual musician credits? i would imagine it would be the same as how games don't list every individual credit or how movies don't give individual credits.Bread Ninja (talk) 22:04, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
I'll remove them, I won't listen to the original creator, just because it was originally their article that was merged doesn't mean needless information should be put in the new article. Necrojesta (talk) 22:08, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm just speculating right now, maybe you could give the more general credits like the London studio orchestra and the choir.Bread Ninja (talk) 22:15, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
oh, duh yeah I'll just shove it into the information, it isn't really needed to be fair. Necrojesta (talk) 22:17, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
yeah well if we get a third opinion on here, i think it would help out a bit more. i'll ask krebmarkt to see what he thinks.Bread Ninja (talk) 22:20, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
Okay, I sure as hell can't manage this article on my own :D Best to get a few opinions. Necrojesta (talk) 22:24, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

I did the first Evangelion album so i'm not just talks and remarks. However i don't want to go further for the reason expressed above. --KrebMarkt 07:18, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

I am quite happy with the work you did, a lot more information, I'll probably use it as an example further on. Articles before this, like each album page were originally really messy, so it looks a whole lot better with new tracklistings. Necrojesta (talk) 13:03, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Copy pasting from my talk page where to look for examples:

--KrebMarkt 14:49, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

I Just thought, would it be better if this article was changed to discography? I think this would work better, since more than one album on the same page doesn't really work well, so I think it could work to include all of the evangelion soundtracks. What do you think? Necrojesta (talk) 16:55, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
A discography article would be too hard, especially if we can't find sources. we would have to put in the ratings chart and everything and the only one i know is the oricon chart for japan. a "list of albums" article or "Music of" article would be better, for example Music of Kingdom Hearts is a good article. usually people confuse discographies with list of albums article, but usually a discography article wont have the tracklist (well not the featured ones).Bread Ninja (talk) 17:42, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Can you change the name of an article? Because if it was "music of neon genesis evangelion" we could add singles and so on, making the article more informative.
Yeah you can change it's on the top section, where it says "move" right next to "history", though i only changed one name out of all the time i been here. Usually you need to get some votes in order to do so, but considering the low importance scale and hardly anyone editing, i guess it would be fine to do so without a third opinion.Bread Ninja (talk) 17:56, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Okay I think it should be moved, but does that mean the original name will redirect to the new page? --Necrojesta (talk) 18:11, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
yes, it automatically does that.Bread Ninja (talk) 18:12, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
I'll do that now, originally i deleted a section since it was a single but at least now I can put it back ^^. Necrojesta (talk) 18:19, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Break 1

well now that we know what we want more or less, we should see what needs work in the article other than addin g in more information.Bread Ninja (talk) 18:35, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that's true, we need to remove the credits, giving general credits in the text, remove info boxes and put that into the text (which would probably reduce the size of the article hopefully), look over it see if anything else needs doing, then begin to add in new singles and soundtracks probably. References probably don't really matter, there is hardly ANY information about these albums on the internet (except for on here).
Unfortunately, tonight I will only be able to make a few minor edits; I've got a lot of my own work to do (art coursework). Necrojesta (talk) 18:45, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
i could possibly do this by in an hour or two. the total length is pretty easy because the tracklist template already gives us that option. First i will have to fix the NGE template at the bottom.Bread Ninja (talk) 18:52, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
nevermind, i wont have time today, but I'll see what i can do tomorrow.Bread Ninja (talk) 18:57, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
okay, that's fine, you've done a lot of work already to help me and the article. I will make time for wikipedia now that I'm back in school. The art project should be finished tommorow or the day after too, so I'll have a bit more time. Necrojesta (talk) 19:03, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Merging

Merging ever single article about the music of Neon Genesis Evangelion into this hugely unwieldly list is entirely unnecessary. It would be better to have the individual articles on the several dozen albums and singles and merely have a list of links here. I do not understand Necrojesta's plan for all of this, but this article is way too big.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 06:41, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Do you think it's too big of a plan for one article? I think its fine if its got information, infoboxes are planned to be removed to just being part of the paragraph. --Necrojesta (talk) 07:54, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
I support the merge because its obvious not every albums and singles warranted an article. Frankly excess of spin-out articles is clearly a big issue for the Anime/Manga project. While we manage more and less to keep things under control with individual characters articles. Anime related albums and singles area is in other hand a "Wild Far West". --KrebMarkt 08:08, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
I think we need BreadNinja to give his opinion, I too support this merge, infoermation can be improved and summarised, so I think they should be included. --Necrojesta (talk) 08:19, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
You know BreadNinja is a girl. --KrebMarkt 08:22, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
Sorry That is a mistake on my part, I checked out her user and talk page before, I'm just an idiot. --Necrojesta (talk) 08:26, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
I've asked AnmaFinotera for her opinion, as the person I asked many times at the start of the article how to do much of it. hopefully this will help. Necrojesta (talk) 08:51, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
For what it's worth, I think the article looks great; major props to everyone who worked on this. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 13:23, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
almost entirely done by me originally but Collectonian (no longer going by this name) helped me when I needed help and I had any questions. She didn't do any editing except and breaks to format the article. After that though KrebMarkt and Bread Ninja began discussing things and helping me a lot, so the state it's in now is largely thanks to them and Collectonian was so knowledgeable and gave me links to helpful articles etc so to be honest, I've mostly just followed their lead :D. Necrojesta (talk) 14:41, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
i really don't care what gender you classify me as. it really doesn't matter in wikipedia, but yeah krebmarkts right. Anyways the merge is necessary due to most of the albums not having enough notability to sustain there own articles. plus the list is not that long, in fact this is one of the shorter lists you see compared to other list of albums articles of anime(which somehow also include singles too, not so sure if it's the same). I think it looks long due to infoboxes and credits, once that is fixed, the article should look a bit smaller or manageable to read.Bread Ninja (talk) 15:21, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I think Ryulong is just supporting his article, I don't think a single is worth an article, I'll get the credits done and maybe a few infoboxes tonight. --Necrojesta (talk) 15:30, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
I don't think it's too difficult to do that, some of the information is already in the head paragraphs. I'll see what i can do.Bread Ninja (talk) 15:40, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll do the last of the credits now, but how would it be best? would this be fine? 'The soundtrack was performed my the london studio orchestra, various musicians and a choir. Executive producers were Hideaki Anno and Toshimichi Otsuki while Shiro Sagisu was the keyboard & programmer and also composed the soundtrack.' Does that sound alright to you?
Sounds about right, i think the first sentence can go more like "The Soundtrack was performed by the London Studio Orchestra which provided Various Musicians and a choir" but to be honest, i dont think that part is necessary, just London Studio Orchestra is enough. Second sentence sounds perfectBread Ninja (talk) 15:52, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
okay that's fine it will be edited now, who needs to know about the specific people, majority don't have articles anyway. funnily enough since I've been on Wikipedia I've never actually had to write anything on an article really. Necrojesta (talk) 15:55, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
Specific People can be mentioned, but they have to be really important (like reception specifically to that person or number of people), which doesn't seem to be the case for the orchestra. right now i think Shiro Sagisu can be mentioned in here in the top header. He seems to have made most of the NGE albums and possibly an image of him, if meets Non-free use rationale.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:03, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

I just have to say a big thanks to the people who got this done, I'm glad I got annoyed and gave it to others to do :P Seriously though, it's obvious that you've put more effort into it then I was at the time, and it's nice to see that large mess of articles organised properly. You can do Dragonball's soundtrack mess next :P Dandy Sephy (talk) 15:59, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

I'll put an image up of shiro sagisu, I think ALL albums were partially done by him, and maybe yoko takahashi as the performer of cruel angel's thesis. no problem Dandy, I've got help now :D
I can't find Shirou credited in the ~refrain~ notes at all. Dandy Sephy (talk) 16:16, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
That's not the point, He's composed or played a part for nearly everything, he difinately deserves at least a picture. Necrojesta (talk) 16:18, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
Refrain is a remix album, i think that's why. still i don't know for sure if yoko takahashi is notable for an image, last i heard she merely performed the song while lyrics credits were given to someone else ( not so sure). But i think music samples of A cruel angel's thesis and fly me to the moon could be good.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:25, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
Okay, picture of shiro sagigsu, and samples of fly me to the moon and Cruel Angel's thesis, sounds good, I'm going to the cinema in a second so I'll add a picture of him when I get back, there is only on suitable image I could find; it seems he isn't photographed often. I'll be back in a few hours :D. Necrojesta (talk) 16:45, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
Refrain is NOT a remix album, it's "inspired by". The songs are "evangelion themed", but not it's not a remix album. Yes some of the songs are mixes, but not all of them (7 of 13 regular songs are mixes. 2 of the remixed songs were bonus tracks on the osts). Even if it was a remix album, Shirou would still be credited. However a look at the 1st ost notes suggests that Shirou didn't write the songs, just BGM. Certainly he didn't pen the songs on Refrain.Dandy Sephy (talk) 16:54, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
I think you need to read the section carefully, the infobox says remix album and the header says that it was mistranslated. Still no refs on Refrain so it maybe that he is credited but we just need to add it in (and look it up). Plus if they are songs that were done by him, than yeah he is automatically credited.Bread Ninja (talk) 17:01, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
I wrote the original article, (quite possibly my first set of edits, I remember Collectonian prodded it) remix was the closest thing to use at the time. If anything it's an image album, something not specified in the infobox code. I've got refrain and the 1st and 3rd ost's right next to me, he's not credited, they are credited to others, he did not write any of the songs, just BGM. The songwriters look like regular Starchild staff (Maimee D. Lee is credited on Love Antique and has written vast numbers of songs for Megumi Hayashibara for example). Dandy Sephy (talk) 17:16, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
I meant to say if there were songs based off of Shiro Sagisu's songs, then he should be credited, but he's not apparently. Still i don't see the issue right now.Bread Ninja (talk) 17:22, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm saying he's not credited because they aren't his work! BGM=Shiro, Songs=Starchild staff. I've just confirmed this with the production details in the liner notes. Dandy Sephy (talk) 17:26, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
Look, the album should be in here, there's not much question about that, the image of sagisu doesn't have to be there in credit of this particular album. He produced most of the other stuff on this page and so I think it's fair to give him credit. The album would probably be classed as part of the music of evangelion, if not where should it go? --Necrojesta (talk) 21:44, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
All I'm saying is that saying he did all the music isn't correct. No more or no less. It's an important distinction between claiming he did all the music when he actually just did all the BGM. Crediting him for that is fine, crediting him for things he hasn't done is not.Dandy Sephy (talk) 04:12, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Of course, something like 'Shiro sagisu composed much of the soundtrack and other albums' Necrojesta (talk) 06:26, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
"The background music for the franchise was composed by..." Given that the most of albums are either soundtrack or compilations of soundtracks, this seems sensible. Anyone else can be mentioned in the relevant place (such as album tables). Dandy Sephy (talk) 17:40, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
COMMENT - whoever took upon himself the unneccessary job to merge all these articles at should've had the courtesy of listing the tracks and leaving the covers.--Gonzalo84 (talk) 22:17, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
The tracks are listed and are the covers really needed? The infoboxes may well be removed altogether. --Necrojesta (talk) 22:38, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Fact checking and referencing

Just a note that some of the data in this page needs to be checked, corrected and referenced. Given that some of these errors are a result of my own early edits on the original article(s), I will try and go over them and fix them in the near future and also remove the WP:OR. I have the first and third and Death osts, ~refrain~ and Addition all with the liner notes, so this won't be too difficult, I just need to get writing credits romanised, but I have a friend who should be able to do this for me. Dandy Sephy (talk) 17:24, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

I have a question about Day of Second Impact. Is it a normal album or a compilation album?Bread Ninja (talk) 17:32, 26 April 2010 (UTC) Nevermind, i'm too sue to the previous format.Bread Ninja (talk) 17:46, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Dandy, you will be a massive help if you have the articles, I myself can't read Japanese so you owning the albums helps out a lot. --Necrojesta (talk) 20:28, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
I'll be able to expand some of the tables with the track specific information while I'm doing it. My Japanese ability is minimal myself, but there are ways to make it easier. Dandy Sephy (talk) 17:42, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Spelling of Disc

I've noticed disc being written as disk. Disk was the original spelling but now it is consistently written in the media as 'disc'. This is just to avoid different spellings of it.

Already fixed ( i think). Both are correct spelling but since the article uses disc more than disk, i changed it so the article doesn't look all out of place.Bread Ninja (talk) 15:50, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Infobox merge

So do we want to merge the info boxes into the information? If so I think a second paragraph for each album could be made summarizing the infobox.

To make it simple:
  1. Ditch unverified contents from infobox
  2. Check what is already mentioned elsewhere
  3. Mention remaining contents in prose form
Applied to the Neon Genesis Evangelion album infobox:
Recorded date info can be ditched as unsourced
Producer info can be ditched as unsourced
Record length is already mentioned inside the track listing
Label & main artist are already mentioned in prose form
That's it you can remove the whole infobox

--KrebMarkt 21:08, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Is that so? okay, I'll do that tomorrow since I came back later than expected, we'll see what ninja says about it. Necrojesta (talk) 21:46, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
I find it odd that I'm being relied for a third opinion. I agree with krebmarkt on most of it, although we could preserve some of the information that seems that it could be verified eventually. Bread Ninja (talk) 15:33, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Producer info is easily sourced from the liner notes, Dates should be too (I can sort that out while doing the checking and referencing I mentioned above). As for the removal of the infoboxes, I'm going to point out that WP:Anime has no MOS for discography's and that this may be a good time to bring it up again as we have several discography articles and they all do things differently. Dandy Sephy (talk) 17:37, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Okay guys, sorry for my uselessness. I've been quite busy the past week and haven't been focused enough to do much work here, please excuse me. D: Necrojesta (talk) 17:54, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Well discography is a bit difficult, it can go into different formats but the most significant format that seems to become featured list is the mainly a table and the rest of the articles apparently holding enough notability. Still, i feel discography, list of albums, and music of articles are slightly different. Music of seems more general (like adding reception/legacy and additional information) while discography and list of albums are more chart or list oriented and are focused mainly on the releases. As for necrojesta, it's fine. You made this article, i think that's pretty useful, but for now we need to figure out more specific areas on to remove and add. Like on your page, i considered actually merging A Cruel Angel's Thesis onto the main article due to it mainly relating to the singles than the song itself.Bread Ninja (talk) 18:15, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I think music of is more suitable for this article. Do either of you have school, college or work? Just curious since you've made time to edit wikipedia but I'm still having trouble focusing on it since I'm still only two weeks old on here. Necrojesta (talk) 18:21, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
well, I'm usually not so busy in the mornings, but late afternoon i have no time. anyways what do you all think about merging a cruel angel's thesis onto this article?Bread Ninja (talk) 18:28, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm completely busy until around the evenings so it's not ideal, I'm not on my own pc but hopefully my laptop will be back soon and I can help properly. I think It's fine, it's a single and a theme song... I don't think it needs it's own article and it would be even easier to find on our article along with everything else. Shall I do it? I'm watching Noein right now and reading the ring novel since I want to keep steadily watching anime, I'm watching almost all of the currently airing anime. I've got around 30 series I'm watching at the same time so I need to clear them up too. Necrojesta (talk) 20:56, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
No one seems to oppose except one person but he hasn't returned to defend it, so 2 to 1 so merging is acceptable, but just to be safe i say we just merge Oricon Ranking and the Tracklist onto the article and the rest we'll let everyone else decide.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:16, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Actually merge all oricon Rankings and tracklist except the the one about the first Album, the rest seem to be more NGE related.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:21, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
I didn't realise this was already a vote, and it's hardly consensus either (and saying I've not returned to defend something when I was away less then ONE DAY is hardly giving me chance to reply). What the article is called is unimportant, it's just semantics and no one is suggesting it's changed anyway (that doesn't mean it won't happen in the future as part of a wider change to article naming structures, but it's not a concern right now). At the end of the day, it's an article listing the names and details of albums. By definition thats a discography, which is why a project discussion was suggested to see if there a wider consensus can be reached,as we don't have a consensus for how they should be treated. Regardless of all this, I don't think it's too important to deal with this right now. I would think verifying, referencing and expansion would be a better use of time and resources first. We should focus on the information rather then visual touches. Dandy Sephy (talk) 16:36, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Seriously Dandy Sephy, you need to calm down a bit. Why would you think i was referring to you? your not the one who opposed it, i was referring to Ryulong. Also I'm sure we left the discography-list of albums-Music of article discussion. I do admit i fixed some minor visual touches, I'm sure we can find more information, but i don't see why we can't format the article first before any additional information is found.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:42, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Also Discography is ab it more different, right now it does look like a list of discography with additional information, but once we add reception/legacy and general development of the albums, the article will evolve into a more general form than a discography. i'm simply folowing what discography means in wikipedia.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:46, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Added a 30 sec preview of cruel angel's thesis should bee good quality and fades out to sound a bit better, hope it's fine, took me around an hour to work out how uploading music works and adding it to a page. not to mention editing the track D: If it doesn't work either you can fix it or I'll do it tomorrow. Necrojesta (talk) 22:43, 29 April 2010 (UTC)


Theme songs

I've noticed the theme songs section which is new, do we want to put cruel angel's thesis and fly me to the moon here? I've added the preview for cruel angel's thesis successfully, currently uploading a new version since the current is accidentally the full version. Necrojesta (talk) 20:36, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah im oved Acruel Angel's thesis onto a new section due to it wasn't really talkinga bout the single, just about the theme song itself. And yeah i was planning on moving fly me to the moon in there but the song is ung by various artist i was havings ome difficulty thinking what format i should write it in.Bread Ninja (talk) 20:51, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
If I recall, there is only a sentence or so about it in the full article so it would be tricky, I think there might be more information in various articles like List of Neon Genesis Evangelion media --Necrojesta (talk) 21:05, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
Just found in the article there is a table with theme songs for the franchise, check it out. What do you want to do? --Necrojesta (talk) 21:08, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

ok this is what i think it should be written.

Fly me to the Moon is one of the theme songs in the Neon Genesis Evangelion Series. IN the anime it is used as the Ending theme. The song has been performed by different artist. It has mainly been performed by Claire, Megumi Hayashibara. Utada Hikaru has also performed her version of Fly me to the Moon in the anime film adapatation, Evangelion 1.0.

I know theres more, but this is all i could think of at the moment.Bread Ninja (talk) 21:37, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking more like how this article is actually introduced, like the original songs articles' introductory paragraph and then In the anime it is used as the Ending theme. The song has been performed by different artist. It has mainly been performed by Claire, Megumi Hayashibara. Utada Hikaru has also performed her version of Fly me to the Moon in the anime film adapatation, Evangelion 1.0. After that, I've got a 30 second preview I'll upload, it takes about an hour for my internet though so it will be a while before its up. how's that? (also the original articles paragraph would be summarized I guess just to give some background information and then a link to the main.) Necrojesta (talk) 21:58, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Well i'm not so sure if it should be linked to the main due to the main article having almsot as much information of NGE version of Fly me to the moon than what we are going ot add here. The sound sample is good too, though which version will we use? Claire's and miyamura yuuko's version seem to have equal ammount of episodes usedBread Ninja (talk) 22:04, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

I've got claire, it starts from the first episode anyway, I'll state which episodes it's used on.

Okay won't link to the main but add summary of the original song? I think its needed. Necrojesta (talk) 22:07, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

i tihnk it's ok to link it as long as it doesnt say "For main article see:". Like maybe when you say "original version" it could redirect to the main article or seomthing.Bread Ninja (talk) 22:11, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, good point. I'll try that, is there a specific template? otherwise I'll type the hatnote in. Necrojesta (talk) 22:15, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
Ugh pissed me off, cruel angel's thesis is taking over an hour for the 30 sec preview to upload while fly me to the moon took around 5 seconds. Necrojesta (talk) 22:19, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
Yeah just use a hatnote in.Bread Ninja (talk) 22:24, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
The hatnote is added and fine, both theme songs should be fine when cruel angel's thesis is uploaded. Do you think anymore songs should have previews? Like theme songs in the films? Necrojesta (talk) 22:33, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
Sounds ok, still a bit iffy if the opening sentence should talk about the original version and the NGE version second than vice versa. BUt if it looks fine to everyone else, than no complaints here.Bread Ninja (talk) 22:39, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
Now that you mention it, I may reverse the paragraphs. I'll do ti now, it would probably look better and make more sense; a picture of sagisu is now up, is the placement fine? Necrojesta (talk) 22:45, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
Image looks good, hopefully it meets the rationale, Though the opening paragraph of the article seems to be copied pasted from the anime article. I tihnk we need to add more information regarding the music. Like "THe Music of Neon Genesis Evangelion was composed by Shiro Sagisu and produced by mainly Kings record and Starchild. Two themes ongs were granted for the anime series and one for the anime film adaptation." soemthing similar to that, but i think more reception on shiro sagisu can fit in. not so sure on this one, it's iffy and mroe informationneeds to be found.Bread Ninja (talk) 22:54, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
Just installed japanese fonts so it should be easier for me. Yes I was thinking that too, I think a couple of sentences for the anime and then a music summary, I'll see if i can summarise the opening paragraph first, I think a little background information about the anime is useful. Necrojesta (talk) 22:58, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

New Edits

Last night I edited pretty much the whole page. The first paragraph was shortened, a second paragraph was added, two pictures were put in, two song previews are now in the theme song section, all the infoboxes are removed with the information in the sections and slight edits were made. how does it look? Also, the pictures may be removed due to copyright, I don't know how it works properly so if they are deleted can you please try to upload some? --Necrojesta (talk) 02:44, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Well i'm not so sure a yoko takahashi image is necessary, since she only did one theme song. BUt if we manage to find reception on that, i'm sure it can be kept.Bread Ninja (talk) 19:40, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

reception on Cruel angel's thesis? --Necrojesta (talk) 19:58, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
well reception on yoko takahashi relating to A cruel angel's thesis.Bread Ninja (talk) 20:06, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
I'll see if I can do something. The picture of shiro sagisu will be deleted, oh well. there is only two pictures of him I can find and both don't help that much. --Necrojesta (talk) 20:47, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
"only one theme song"? What about the various versions of Fly... , Tamashi no Rufuran and an entire album. Of all the possible reasons not to include a Takahashi image, that isn't one of them.

New content

I've added cruel angel's thesis and all the other theme songs from the films into the first section, they all have basic information and a 30 second preview.

Few comments

Hi,

Happy to see this article lively. I have to point you some points.

--KrebMarkt 06:55, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

So what do you mean? Improve the description of the covers or remove them? Trivial information will be removed and if I can find information on the album covers i'll see if I can find the artist. --Necrojesta (talk) 12:10, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Reply:
About point 1, It should be Refrain: The songs were inspired by Evangelion instead of ~refrain~ The songs were inspired by Evangelion.

About point 2, in the Evangelion: The Birthday of Rei Ayanami section
From

The album cover features an illustration by Yoshiyuki Sadamoto, the character designer for the series. The CD itself depicts the front portion of Rei's plug suit bearing the inscription 00, which refers to her designated Evangelion, Unit 00.

To:

The album cover features an illustration by Yoshiyuki Sadamoto, the character designer for the series.

I hope that clarify why i'm making those comments. --KrebMarkt 13:08, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I get it, no dashes or squiggly lines in names, no in depth descritions of the covers, if at all. --Necrojesta (talk) 13:41, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

I was always wondering why your first "big work" in Wikipedia is on Anime music. Editing difficulty rated 4 out 5 as it's template heavy, need a lot of sources, has translation issues & a lot of "never hear off before" Manual of Styles applying here. There are certainly less difficult "big works" in Anime/Manga articles clean-ups. So i can only praise your efforts Necrojesta & Bread Ninja. --KrebMarkt 13:50, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, it's hard :D. Almost all of my nearly 600 edits are from this article, I just didn't realize then how long it would take; I had in mind that I would shove all the articles into one and that was it, but Collectionian told I need to use consistent formatting etc, and it branched out further from their. I was always curious so I checked, Bread Ninja has made 17 edits -I think I counted- to this article, I guess she is my guidance ^^.

--Necrojesta (talk) 14:04, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Yup:-) But often jumping in the deep end is the best way to gain experience. G.A.Stalk 16:10, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
to be honest i often saw this stuff a lil easy. but its the refs and stuff that i have trouble with, i don't know how to differentiate seemingly reliable sources and actual reliable sources when it comes to the albums.Anyways, samples for the films i felt was unnecessary, but then i thought, why not merge the sections and samples in pairs? Music of Kingdom Hearts appears to do the same but its with the same song of the English and Japanese versionBread Ninja (talk) 16:28, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
So the two tv themes merged and then the movie themes merged? I'll see how they did the music sample boxes in that article. Thanks for always helping me out guys, this article is turning out great now ^^. References is what I have major problems with, personally I've never used a reference that was on another article anyway o.o. --Necrojesta (talk) 16:59, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, i also have problems with refs. I was thinking 3 section, opening-ending for the anime series, themes songs for death-rebirth-End of evangelion, and the third one for rebuild of evangelion series.Bread Ninja (talk) 17:02, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
I just merged the sections and the music samples in pairs, if anyone doesn't agree to the format than it can be reverted.Bread Ninja (talk) 18:08, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

That was exactly what I had in mind, thanks, it looks perfect. Thanks for performing the merges. Sooner or later I'm going to have to suffer through the references xD ; I requested that the article be reassessed hope it does; it's improved by miles since it was last, the major edit tag is finally gone. --Necrojesta (talk) 19:11, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Glad it worked out, well i'm going to look for refs soon too. Hopefully i can find some Shiro Sagisu interviews.Bread Ninja (talk) 19:25, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Yeah that would be good, I'll see if I can verify some of the track listings soon. I'm not fully sure why I want to edit Wikipedia, I'm still in secondary school; I think it's just a time-killer or satisfying to know I'm helping people. --Necrojesta (talk) 20:29, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

This is looking good. Quite frankly the attention to detail required for these types of articles scares me away. I tip my hat to you! :P I still think this is at Start-Class (very close to C-Class). It's coming along pretty fast, so maybe we could hold off a week then reassess? --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 10:24, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

okay, so it needs more sourced information etc and after a week reassess? Thanks for the reply ^^. Will get it done. --Necrojesta (talk) 15:10, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

I like how mosja favours a incorrect title over the bloody correct one. Dandy Sephy (talk) 01:11, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

incorrect title? what are you talking about? if you are referring to "refrain: songs inspired by..." the cover could just stylized it that way.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:18, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Reply:
I suggest we should be consistent on using the original titles and not anglicising them. Let's make sure we have a standard approach for describing the original Japanese titles and their English translations (or US counterparts), and being clear whether these are official English titles or otherwise. I don't think we should be arbitrarily correcting Japanese grammatical and typological conventions to English ones (as suggested above for ~refrain~). Paul Coddington (talk) 03:43, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

References

Heres a quick dump of some useful references for stuff like reception and US release dates. More as I come across them

Dandy Sephy (talk) 02:48, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, personally I don't use anime news network but I will re-consider, thanks for the links :). I will have to work round the time difference, most of the edits happen while I'm asleep. I might also see If I can link to this page a bit more too. --Necrojesta (talk) 06:30, 5 May 2010 (UTC)


Album section

Album section is getting a little long, i was wondering if we should do it the same format we did before this version came up and separate them from types of albums, such as compilation albums.Bread Ninja (talk) 19:09, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, like how in some articles they would have different sections and a table showing how many of each type of album, there is. Ive added two new albums so I think we will have to. --Necrojesta (talk) 19:32, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Sounds good, the compliations i know of are, addition, refrain: the sogns inspired by..., S2 works, day of second impact, birthday of rei, and refrain of eva. i'll move them later to a separate section tomorrow or so unless you want to do it.Bread Ninja (talk) 20:08, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
nevermind i tihn k i have time to move them now.Bread Ninja (talk) 20:08, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
No, I'll do it quickly tonight ^^. I can't get a hold of a track listing for evangelion classic, I'll keep looking too. Oh right, will you move them or not? If you have other articles on the go I'll do it. As well as remix albums and soundtrack albums. --Necrojesta (talk) 20:11, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, do you think it is? It seems strange to only have some albums in a specific album type, but it seems strange like how it is now >< --Necrojesta (talk) 19:31, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

I've moved a few around into a more logical (and in some cases more accurate) grouping.

  • As stated previously Refrain is not a remix album as half of the regular tracks are original
  • S2 is a soundtrack and not a compilation. Yes it's multiple soundtracks and previously unreleased versions of songs but its designed to be, and marketed as a complete soundtrack for the entire series.
  • Vox isn't a remix, it's a complete rearrangement
  • A live section isn't needed for one album, especially when it's rearrangements of existing tracks, so grouping it with Vox as a section for rearranged tracks seems more sensible
  • "Miscellaneous" is a working title as it's the only one I could think of. The classic album isn't a soundtrack as such, so it seems strange to promote it as such. Refrain is neither a compilation or a remix but there isn't a clear category to put it in (I maintain it's an image album, but again, it's silly to have categories for one album) and addition is just a collection of semi-random tracks, but it's not a compilation eitherDandy Sephy (talk) 15:01, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry but you basically explained S2 works as a compilation. you just said the box set was designed and marketed as a complete soundtrack of the series. If it has all the tracks of NGE 1, 2, and 3 then it must be one regardless of what it was designed for.Bread Ninja (talk) 15:47, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

All your point does is add to the suggestion that its a boxset of the complete soundtrack. Thats basically what it is, a soundtrack boxset. Thats not a compilation, which is a sample of tracks from different sources in one release. S2 is a boxset of all the soundtracks, plus various development versions. All the compilations are a dozen or so tracks picked from across the soundtrack albums. Dandy Sephy (talk) 16:09, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

i can't find anything that says a compilation album has to have "samples" only.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:18, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Not sure whether or not it is a compilation or soundtrack album, if it's a bit of both, would it fit better in soundtrack? --Necrojesta (talk) 18:29, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
i think it's the unreleased sountracks that are allowing us to believe it's a soundtrack, so i say it's 60-40%. 60 being compilation though. Also we have to consider this in a more general term and not fall into our own understand of what compilation albums are.Bread Ninja (talk) 18:33, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
wait, if they're unreleased soundtracks there weren't really used so it should be compilation since it is a compilation of unreleased and used soundtracks, right? --Necrojesta (talk) 18:38, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Not always, like Dandy Sephy said, compilation albums aren't always completely based off of two different albums.Bread Ninja (talk) 18:44, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, just that I think it belongs in compilation this time ^^ --Necrojesta (talk) 18:46, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
yeah, it's in between, but leans toward compilation.Bread Ninja (talk) 18:54, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Okay so goes in compilation, I hate the album >< when editing the page its 7 discs or so get in the way :D.

This is off topic but the page got over 200 views yesterday, the most so far, I linked to the page and created a few more redirects, guess this helps :) 750 odd views now in total. --Necrojesta (talk) 18:55, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

that's great, i think i helped enough for this article, I'm going to work on reformatting the media article now. I'll come in and see what else there is. I tried looking for Shiro Sagisu interviews, but couldn't find any. I'll look some more later if i find anything else.Bread Ninja (talk) 19:08, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Thanks so much for the work you've done till' now. Discussing things with you has been very helpful and the edits to the article have been too :) --Necrojesta (talk) 19:31, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

S2 Works appears to be the complete master soundtrack as recorded for the series, and as such it contains alternate versions from which the director eventually choose tracks for inclusion in the series. It only goes to show that rigid classification systems don't work that well (:P) Also "The title is based on the fictional engine from Neon Genesis Evangelion called the S² Engine" - it is also a play on Shiro Sagisu (S²) in the same way Pen Pen is often referred to Pen². 

Paul Coddington (talk) 03:54, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Reference dropout

Copy-pasted & expanded loooong listing of references from Oricon database.

albums:

Neon Genesis Evangelion KICA-286 Rank 12, December 6, 1995. DVD Re-Edition KIAW-21 December 22, 2004.
Neon Genesis Evangelion II KICA-290 Rank 4, February 16, 1996. DVD Re-Editon KIAW-22 December 22, 2004.
Neon Genesis Evangelion III KICA-300 Rank 1, May 22, 1996. DVD Re-Editon KIAW-23 December 22, 2004.
Neon Genesis Evangelion Addition Limited Ed. KIKA-333 Rank 5, Normal Ed. KICA-334 Rank 18, December 21, 1996.
Evangelion: Death KICA-360 Rank 1, June 11, 1997. DVD Editon KIAW-24 December 22, 2004.
Evangelion Symphony KICA-390 Rank 34, December 22, 1997.
Neon Genesis Evangelion: S² Works KICA-421 Rank 38, December 4, 1998.
Evangelion: The Day of Second Impact KICA-525 Rank 20, September 13, 2000.
Evangelion: The Birthday of Rei Ayanami KICA-537 Rank 45, March 30, 2001.
Refrain of Evangelion KICA-608 Rank 62, November 22, 1995.
Neon Genesis Evangelion: Decade KICA-718 Rank 24, October 26, 2005.
End of the Evangelion KICA-370 Rank 3, September 26, 1997. DVD Editon KIAW-25 December 22, 2004.
Refrain: The songs were inspired by Evangelion KICA-378 Rank 6, November 6, 1997.
Refrain of Evangelion KICA-608 Rank 62, July 24, 2003.
Evangelion-Vox KICA-382 Rank 10, December 3, 1997.
Shiro Sagisu Music from "EVANGELION: 1.0 YOU ARE (NOT) ALONE" KIKA-887 Rank 28, September 26, 2007.
Evangelion: 1.0 You Are (Not) Alone Original Sound Track KIKA-886 Rank 38, May 25, 2008.
Evangelion: 2.0 You Can (Not) Advance Original Sound Track Limited Ed. KICA-983 Evangelion: 2.0 You Can (Not) Advance Original Sound Track Standard Ed. KICA-985 Rank 8, July 8, 2009.
Neon Genesis Evangelion Classical vol. 1 - Beethoven KICC-231 Rank 81 October 22, 1997
Neon Genesis Evangelion Classic vol. 2 - Verdi KICC-232 Rank 94 October 22, 1997
Neon Genesis Evangelion Classic vol. 3 - Handel KICC-234 Rank 96 October 22, 1997
Neon Genesis Evangelion Classic vol. 4 - Bach KICC-236 Rank 83 October 22, 1997

Anime OP/ED

KIDA-116 Rank 17, October 25, 1995. OP only
KIDA-114 Rank 27, October 25, 1995. OP/ED
KICM-3041 Rank 41, March 26, 2003. OP/ED 2003 remix
KICM-1272 Rank 22, May 13, 2009. OP/ED 2009 remix

Beautiful World/Kiss & Cry Rank 2, August 29, 2007. Part of an notable singer career so the keep the separate article even if it's poorly and inaccurately sourced. --KrebMarkt 07:55, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

o.o thanks, can you read Japanese at some level? how would I incorportate these into the text, just like "Album Name ranked 25 in the Oricon database etc etc'? thanks again ^^. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Necrojesta (talk • contribs) 14:40, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

<ref>{{cite web |url=*link* |title=*page title* |publisher=[[Oricon]] |accessdate=May 6, 2010}}</ref>
Jut copy that, and change the url and title fields as necessary (without the asterixes). Dandy Sephy (talk) 15:05, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Sorry i don't read Japanese but i'm good with search engine and guessing game.
For each CD first link give details of the release date, cat. code, tracks list, etc... Sometimes there are some really detailed information on the writer, arranger, lyrics & performers for each single tracks. What's missing is tracks length. The second links give the peak rank position, number of weeks in charts and a list of the weeks its charted. With those links you can assert at least 80% of all informations in the article. --KrebMarkt 19:07, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Okay that's good, for track listings without length I will see if I can download the albums. --Necrojesta (talk) 19:30, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Empty space

Today and yesterday I spent hours deleting empty space, making a better format and making it more size efficient. I reduced it by almost 20 KB which is a pretty big amount and all the track listings share a common format. --Necrojesta (talk) 02:24, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

I noticed beautiful world Planitb acoustica mix is spelled with a lowercase "i". is that how its really spelled? the most i've seen the word "planitb remix" was with utada hikaru and other few songs from artist.15:46, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
If you go onto the main article for the single, yes its spelled with a lowercase 'i', the theme song is part of this single :). --Necrojesta (talk) 18:17, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
What i meant was when PLANITb is all in capital, why is only the i lowercase? i'm sure the whole thing is capitalized.Bread Ninja (talk) 18:24, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, it's fine in the article, it should be planitb but the listens template was wrong, I thought it was fine, thanks. --Necrojesta (talk) 18:33, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

End of evangelion album

Why were the track lengths removed? --Necrojesta (talk) 21:52, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Can someone please reply? --Necrojesta (talk) 14:55, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
they were removed? who did it?Bread Ninja (talk) 15:37, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
An anonymous user did. I'd restore the lengths, but I don't know all these new-fangled templates. --Gwern (contribs) 19:15 16 May 2010 (GMT)
Thank you, I should have checked really, I'll bring them back soon. --Necrojesta (talk) 19:20, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

You Are (Not) Alone tracklist

I have a completely different tracklist for the You Are (Not) Alone OST. The one I have is as follows:

1. L'Attaque des Anges 2. I'll Go On Lovin' Someone Else 3. Premiere Manoeuvre 4. Staggering Yet 5. Les Betes 6. Crepuscule - Tokyo III 7. Cruel Dilemme 8. The Longest Day 9. Contre Les Agressions 10. Showdown 11. Mecanisme de Defense 12. Cruel Dilemme II 13. Rei-Opus IV 14. The Longest Day II 15. Lucifer's Cry 16. Cruel Dilemme III 17. Strategie "Yashima" 18. The Longest Day III 19. Danse des Lucioles 20. Battaille Decisive 21. Angel of Doom 22. Rei-Opus V 23. Trailer Eva Special 24. EM17_Demo 25. EM21_Demo 26. Cruel Dilemme I

Why is there a discrepancy between the OST I have and the list in this article?

ask123 (talk) 23:07, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

There are two different albums:
  • Shiro Sagisu Music from "EVANGELION: 1.0 YOU ARE (NOT) ALONE" Release Details
  • Evangelion: 1.0 You Are (Not) Alone Original Sound Track Release Details

The tracks you list correspond to the first album. I hope that clarify. --KrebMarkt 05:32, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Silly mistake :D. If you were trying to show the tracks in a list, use an asterisk, I think. this section should be removed? --Necrojesta (talk) 06:19, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

iSugoi.com ref

Just to say before trying to find another version of that reference, it would be wise to question whatever this website qualify as a reliable source which i doubt due to succinctness of their about page. --KrebMarkt 15:48, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

So you don't think it's reliable either way? --Necrojesta (talk) 16:52, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
This one was used in the specific album article prior the merging and i fear it was only added to dodge notability tagging. --KrebMarkt 17:08, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
I see what you mean, either way there will have to be reception for the rest of the articles as well, I don't want to do it really though ^^;.

Addition

neon genesis evangelion addition appears to have a lot of original information and informal tone> I'm going to edit it and try to make it better than the original. I'm 100% sure i won't be able to fix it completely, so it would be great if i got some help after i edit this.Bread Ninja (talk) 04:35, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Wow, I skimmed through your edit, I'm amazed and slightly disappointed that I didn't notice it.
Also, it's of topic put I was juggling the idea of bringing infoboxes back but I'm not sure. The WP: albums criteria outlines the use of infoboxes so I think this might be a good move, what you think?
I'm in the process I've adding up to 20 more references, you can see them above I suppose and rewriting bad citations so they are all in the proper format. --Necrojesta (talk) 15:24, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
Oppose the return of those infobox. We are not much within WP:ALBUM but more within WP:LIST or WP:DISCOG. Note that Anime project has one Featured List for Anime soundtracks: List of Popotan soundtracks and it doesn't use infobox for each CDs. --KrebMarkt 15:41, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks man, I was opposed too personally. Thanks for the page link though, I might use the release template used in the page for accessibility reasons. --Necrojesta (talk) 15:44, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

NGE classical volume

it seems there have been a few edits to these. I find it a bit odd since i never seen them by this name before. but anyways...it goes vol.1, 2, 4? was there a third one missing, or is it just a small typo that i'm making look big?Bread Ninja (talk) 20:38, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

See Talk:Music_of_Neon_Genesis_Evangelion#Reference_dropout scroll down to the one for Handel. --KrebMarkt 21:01, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
Oh i see, i think i can find the CD name and add it in, tracklist will be difficult though.Bread Ninja (talk) 21:18, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
Sorry for the slight misunderstanding, after 30 odd decent sized edits I was too tired to adding volume three the names were changed to avoid punctuation and the same is the case with the theme songs being split up. I think we're getting closer to a B grade article, it wont be long. --Necrojesta (talk) 21:49, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
Volume 3 is actually quite difficult to find. the link krebmarkt provided will not allow me to copy and paste to translate, at the same time it won't let me link to Google translate so that the link could translate itself but didn't find it. i tried looking for other links, but also could not find it.Bread Ninja (talk) 21:56, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
I'll do it then, I have chrome installed which obviously has translate built in since it's a google product. Give me a little while :D. --Necrojesta (talk) 22:35, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
Sounds good. I'm about to work on the glossary, and try to make some big edits.Bread Ninja (talk) 23:28, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
Glossary? That would be very helpful. --Necrojesta (talk) 00:12, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Article assessment

Judging from the status of the article, it pretty much passes the B class criteria if not for references which are pretty much fine now. Would you say it should be changed to a B?

Also is this even within the scope of WP: albums? I was thinking should the assessment box be removed? --Necrojesta (talk) 01:35, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

hmm...I remember Verdi having a ref, but it seemed it was removed? anyways i think it's B-level too, but in order to prove it we should add in the list of what needs to be B criteria, so i can make my full opinion.Bread Ninja (talk) 01:40, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
There is, look above under the anime and manga assessment box, "this article has been..." etc etc.

I'll see if I accidentally removed a reference, sorry.

It's ok. Anyways, the article appears to be in B criteria, try asking someone from the album wikiproject because since i'm mainly anime and manga, i'm not so sure my opinion is best.Bread Ninja (talk) 01:46, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
Reference has been put back in, sorry for accidentally removing it, I wrote it properly for you. I removed the album scope template and reassessed it as B for discographies and animanga. It's probably within the scope of wp: album at some level but as it is a list it doesn't meet their criteria etc. because infoboxes haven't been used or anything like that. --Necrojesta (talk) 01:55, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Requested re-assessment

Note i requested article re-assessment from WP:ANIME/ASSESS.

Class-B should only be granted from the ANIME project assessment department and not just bumped at B by editors editing the said article.

This is to keep a homogeneous quality standard between B Class articles within the project, to avoid any "I like it" assessment issue and B Class is the last stop before FL or GA.

--KrebMarkt 06:35, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Haha, real funny actually, describes everything going through my head perfectly. Yes I reassessed the article in a biased manner because I couldn't be bothered to file a request. Thanks for doing so. ^^ --Necrojesta (talk) 11:55, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
Sorry to be a bit "bureaucratic" but i think that would avoid us some disappointments in Peer review and/or FL review. --KrebMarkt 12:53, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
I would like to bring this article to FL status and I am aiming for that but it'll take some time. --Necrojesta (talk) 17:35, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
Before this can be a FL the album lists will need to unhidden. See List of Popotan soundtracks as an example. It is the only FL soundtrack article in the Wikiproject.陣内Jinnai 22:50, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
That's true, they wouldn't be able to access them, plus this isn't much of a list.Bread Ninja (talk) 22:54, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
You mean users who are unfamiliar with collapsed tracklists? Yes, I'll remove the collapsible feature, should they be in a different style do you think or is the template in use now fine? --Necrojesta (talk) 06:27, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

There was talk a while ago about making a Japanese tracklist template because of the problems with needing to list 3 names for 1 track (Japanese, Roamji and English translation) and the tracklists were rather narrow and when you add multiple fields can make them look rather cramped. I'm not sure what happened to attempt or who was working on it. I would like to update the Popotan list with that given that several of the tracklists are cramped.陣内Jinnai 18:39, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

I've been removing the translations and romanji, If I find something like that is released then I will restore the information. The Japanese titles seemed removable while the track listings were hard to read with them. --Necrojesta (talk) 18:44, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
Per WP:ENGLISH they should all stay.陣内Jinnai 00:18, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
I'll bring them back then. --Necrojesta (talk) 05:19, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Jobs needing doing

I'm making this list for my own use as a reference but anyone can take the jobs listed I suppose, no need to discuss in this section really.

Important:

  • Finish adding Oricon citations for ranking and album information.
  • Add the reception section, probably for the soundtracks in general and maybe some specific albums and singles.
  • Add the "End of Evangelion" track listings back in, still annoyed someone removed them.
  • Change the '|collapsed = yes' to no to show the track listings.

To start soon:

  • Look over for typos and grammatical errors.
  • Extend the album sections and add additional sources.
  • Consider the idea of adding supporting pictures and images.
  • Verify content is correct e.g. dates, labels and Oricon chart positions.

--Necrojesta (talk) 17:35, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Break

I don't think we will need a picture unless if it was a picture of a group of albums, or the composer of most of the albums.Bread Ninja (talk) 20:01, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
I know, just considering it, I wasn't really planning on it to be honest. --Necrojesta (talk) 20:11, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
Also if an IP keeps removing it then we can add some protection.Bread Ninja (talk) 20:16, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, that might be best, there is a lot of information here and hidden track listings etc.
an anonymous editor might not understand the templates and all that and get confused and mess something up. they could also vandalise the page which might be quite hard to spot since there it is a big page.
Do you think it should be protected if any more vandalism occurs? --Necrojesta (talk) 21:10, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
Theres no real reason to remove, i can't imagine exactly why he would remove it as a good cause. He's only removing the end of evangelion tracklist. Vandalism is quite easy to see, all you got to do is click the previous button on the history, and you can see the changes. SO yes i do believe this article should be protected by IP, so if they have a problem, they would have to discuss it.Bread Ninja (talk) 21:18, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Break two

Does a protection from anonymous edits make it so they must discuss an edit prior to actually performing it? I know vandalism is very easy to see but sometimes I edit maybe 20 times in a few hours and that's how the last vandalism became unrealized because it got mixed up with others.

If that is the case it becomes hard to undo vandalism and so it ha to be done manually; it's a pain. --Necrojesta (talk) 21:24, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Anyone with an IP cannot edit the article, thet would have to discuss it and if we agree then we would do the edit for them.Bread Ninja (talk) 22:41, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Collapsed - Not collapsed ?

Just to advise a status quo until GA or FL review. We don't need an edit dispute on whatever tracklists should be collapsed. Lets the Future GA or FL reviewer decide. After any complain regarding that issue should be pointed at the GA/FL review and not individual editor.

There are GA with collapsed tracklists and FL requiring not collapsed tracklists.

--KrebMarkt 20:17, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Per WP:ACCESSIBILITY, uncollapsed tracklists are preferred. In the section of that page, "Users with limited CSS/JavaScript support", it says "As such, features which would cause content to be hidden or corrupted when CSS and/or JavaScript is unavailable must not be used. This includes techniques such as the hiddenStructure method for hiding table content – which produces incomprehensible output without CSS – and some implementations of the NavFrame collapsing code – which can make content inaccessible without JavaScript support. " Has anyone tested what this page looks like without Javascript and CSS? --Malkinann (talk) 11:45, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
Yea, like you, i would have it uncollapsed per WP:ACCESSIBILITY. Yet, there are GAs similar articles with collapsed tracklists. First to come to my mind is Music of Kingdom Hearts. I can only conclude that there is no wide consensus on this matter across Wikipedia. That's why, i would prefer to defer to GA/FL reviewer opinion. --KrebMarkt 14:54, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
I imagine the reason why GAs don't comply with WP:ACCESSIBILITY is because it's not in WP:WIAGA, rather than it being something that requires any more consensus than WP:BRD. --Malkinann (talk) 00:10, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
What's with the heavily detailed tracklist titles? it seems a bit unnecessary don't you think?Bread Ninja (talk) 21:28, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Loren and MASH Errata, VOX

"Other songs by Mash include various songs on Evangelion: Vox, including "X-plicit" and "Armageddon", a rap version of Pachelbel's Canon in D, complete with string quartet."

MASH is misidentified here and confused with Mali. MASH is a collaboration between Shiro Sagisu and Mike Wyzgowski (Michael And SHiro), IIRC (I can't find my reference as it was some 12 years ago when I read it somewhere). Loren, IIRC, is associated with the Gospel Choir in England that features on several albums, such as Shiro's Songbook. Memory is not good enough for Wikipedia, of course, so please take this as a hint to do more research on these matters and find some proper sources. Some of this can be confirmed by sites that publish track lists and credits (especially Japanese sites).

Also, it might be of interest to note that VOX was originally released in a circular metal film can limited edition, as pictured on the standard cover artwork of later editions and in the photograph on the Amazon (JP) site. Some of us older fans own these (:P). 

Paul Coddington (talk) 03:25, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Break Up Article?

I think this article needs to be broken up so that each album has its own page in the same standard format as other album pages on Wikipedia (see Never_for_ever as example). For example, why argue about describing cover art when standard practice is to display it (and separate articles would allow that)? Trying to cram everything into one page is difficult to edit and difficult to read and requires unnecessary loss of detail. The downside is a lot of cover art on Wikipedia is not colour calibrated and looks awful - I wish I could help more at the moment, but my calibrated scanner and EVA soundtracks (a complete collection) are in storage in another country for the time being. Paul Coddington (talk) 04:05, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Its trivial to describe the album covers as they serve no purposes. However, the articles were previously merged because they werent notable. See WP:Note. But im starting to think this article is too broad....i think it would be better merging soundtracks relating to the films into ts reespected albums.Lucia Black (talk) 11:54, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

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