Talk:Murder of Tammy Homolka

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Dates

I'm a bit confused. The article says her date of death was 24 December 1990. The following paragraph refers to 23 December 1990 as "less than two weeks" before her 16th birthday. One day is definitely less than two weeks, but why is it worded this way? Could one of the dates be wrong? -Etoile 19:21, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As to the above, her birthday is stated as January 1, thus the 23rd was nine days prior to the birthday, this makes more sense. 24.229.200.86 22:30, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Contradiction

The article gives up to three different substances for drugging her besides the alcohol.

"...Karla Homolka and her fiancé, Paul Bernardo, plied Tammy with Halcion, a sedative, and raped her."

"She eventually conceded, obtained a bottle of Halothane (a liquid general anesthetic) from the veterinary clinic where she worked, what would later be used to sedate Tammy during the rape."

"On December 23, 1990, Tammy was drugged with a combination of sleeping pills and alcohol, passing out in the family room in the basement of the Homolka house."

If by "sleeping pills" Halcion is meant, it should be made explicit. However, that still leaves the Halothane vs. the Halcion and the possibility that both were used. -- Kjkolb 17:21, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes Halcion are the sleeping pills. Both were indeed used, the Halcion being fed to Tammy in drinks and once unconcious she was kept that way with the Halothane, an inhalable sedative which was administered on a soaked cloth covering her mouth.

Not sure, but the incident may have happened on December 23rd, but she wasn't actually pronounced dead until the 24th of December.

Rape victim vs. incest victim

Oops... I didn't realize that I was jumping into what appears to be an ongoing edit war. Nonetheless, my perspective is that Tammy was a rape victim because she was raped by Paul Bernardo who was aided and abetted by her sister Karla. Unless there are details that are not discussed in the article, I see no evidence that Karla raped Tammy. Thus, Tammy is not an incest victim in the common understanding of the term.

--Richard 23:55, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Richard's comment seems accurate, but frankly, the idea that we need to put either of these labels on this article, much less that they are worth edit-warring over, is extremely distasteful. Newyorkbrad 03:06, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And thus we shouldnt. Categorising the perpetrator as such is fine by me but it wasnt this person's fault that they were raped and thus I can see no reason for putting them in a list of rape victims. We arent trolls and so we need to show respect to anyone who through no fault of their own has been raped, SqueakBox 03:12, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can understand this line of thinking. However, discussion about the appropriateness and value of the categories in question should be conducted as a CFD on the relevant categories. It is inefficient to argue about this on the talk pages of each article. If the categories exist, then they should be filled accurately and comprehensively.

--Richard 05:53, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think you are correct Richard. I'm reading my book about the case, and it states Karla drugged her younger sister so Paul Bernardo can rape her. It is because of this complicity that the media describes it as "the couple raped Tammy". However, physically Karla did not rape her sister. She only helped her husband into raping her. Fighting for Justice 06:08, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

SqueakBox says "anyone who through no fault of their own has been raped". is he suggesting that there are people who have been raped through their own fault ? which would be what, exactly? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.26.172.226 (talk) 15:16, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Halcion...

Halcion is not a general anesthetic. It is a brand name for a benzodiazepine derivative called triazolam. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.6.5.15 (talk • contribs) utcursch | talk 08:27, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Original Law and Order episode inspired by this?

was the Original Law and Order episode that has a man-and-woman robbery team drug, rape and murder the woman's sister, and a European nanny, too, inspired by this?

The Sam Waterston character sabotages his plea agreement with the female character by getting her to admit, during allocution, in front of the judge, that she enjoyed raping her sister with her boyfriend, and Karla Homolka admitted the same to her boyfriend in the video the two made soon after the rape and murder.

Now, I for one am skeptical that everything a woman says to a man during shared fantasies about what the two did are always true.

Citation needed from 2007 and 2013

I was on the verge of removing this text, but I guess it's worth waiting another 24 hours to see if anyone can sort it out. If so beware of citing sources based, directly or indirectly, on this article.

All the best: Rich Farmbrough 13:44, 6 October 2020 (UTC).[reply]