Talk:Murder of Lydia Schatz

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This page should not be speedy deleted because Lydia Schatz death received a lot of media attention. Just google her name. There should be a normal deletion discussion. --HannahLiberty (talk) 08:34, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Only as a crime victim. Eeekster (talk) 08:36, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, of course. That is what she is known for... or should i write an article about her parents instead? The case received a lot of attention.-- HannahLiberty (talk) 08:37, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The crime is notable, she is not. Write about the crime. Eeekster (talk) 08:46, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So Death of Lydia Schatz would be a notable article? Is it possible to change the article name?-- HannahLiberty (talk) 08:48, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it could be. I renamed the article. If someone wants to nominate this for deletion, it can go through the normal discussion process. —Ute in DC (talk) 08:56, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have provided additional reliable sources as well and tweaked the wording a bit. Might still need copy-editing.-- Obsidi♠n Soul 12:22, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Michael and Debbi Pearl

This article says that the offenders used Michael Pearl's methods for child training. The Pearls don't advocate beating children to death or abusing them. This should be made clear in the article. Its not really relevant to the crime itself, although it has been discussed.166.137.101.172 (talk) 03:46, 17 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If we include that hand wringing disclaimer, we should also include information about all the many, many other cases in which people following the advice of "To Train Up A Child" ended up killing the children in their care. You know, if that's all somehow relevant to this article. "The Pearls" we could say "Insist that the preponderance of people following their methods who turn out to be murderous child abusers is simply a coincidence. A perpetual, ongoing, coincidence." 70.50.56.83 (talk)

There are no "many, many other cases". Anti-Christian activists have managed to come up with 3 cases with any link to the book. None of them were following advice from the book, they simply had the book. Many children are killed by parents who have read other child rearing books, do you also insist that every article about every child that is killed list the books their parents read? Or is this a special book that you particularly hate for other reasons? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.158.99.253 (talk) 19:13, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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