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The Peter Morrall paragraphs

The article contains two lists presenting the opinions of a mental health professor named Peter Morrall from a two-page article. The first is a cutely alliterative list of motivations consisting of Lust, Love, Loathing and Loot. The second is a list of biological factors (testosterone, seratonin, glucose management, further discussion of glucose, alcohol, environmental pollutants, and malnutrition from eating junk food). My impression is that both of these lists are idiosyncratic and undue for inclusion in a summary article about murder, as they are not broadly accepted summary wisdom about the subject (perhaps especially the pollutants and junk food, and maybe also testosterone and blood sugar as major things to consider in the study of murder). See also Archive 3 for a comment about the Morrall material and his methodology. I suggest this material be deleted from the article. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 16:48, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Concur. The source is vague enough that it doesn't even support what we are saying ("he insists the risk factors that may increase the chance that somebody will commit a murder include"). -- Nat Gertler (talk) 17:01, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I removed them. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 22:11, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 11 October 2025

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I request two changes. Firstly, delete the following from the lead sentence, as it is wholly redundant to "unlawful" and thus potentially confusing:

without justification or valid excuse

Secondly, in the definition section, there are references to an "abandoned and malignant heart" in British law, which lacks an article, but seems synonymous with a "depraved heart" in American law. As such, its first instance should be linked like so:

abandoned and malignant heart 47.208.130.197 (talk) 14:22, 11 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template.

Thank you for trying to improve this article, however, I think your remedy is too bold.

The first part: I agree this sentence is very strangely worded and appears to be a contamination. I do not, however, dare make the bold edit you want. This is sourced well and also concerns the first sentence of the article, which is not a minor thing to edit. I am not certain your edit is the correct way to remedy this sentence (which has also been like this for a long time, and has confused me as a non-native speaker in the past)
It may be a better option to remove "unlawful" instead because the latter relates well to the end of the sentence.

I think you should seek consensus on the talk page about this before making a request.

The second part should not be done. This concerns a direct quote and should not be wikilinked (at all, but especially not to an article that risks further confusing what the quoted person means).

Good luck further, happy editing,
Slomo666 (talk) 15:19, 11 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am asking please do not put semi auto protection for any people to edit

. Ooson1 (talk) 01:43, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We did that because of persistent vandalism to this page, and the current protection still has about 10 months left on it. However, you are free, even encouraged, to suggest edits on this page, so that sufficiently-experienced editors can consider them and do the change if it seems appropriate. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 01:58, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ok Ooson1 (talk) 23:30, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]