Talk:Municipal Guard (Odesa)
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[edit]The section named "Scandals" in the article doesn't tell the full story about what happened, only the story as seen through the coloured glasses of one of the two factions that were involved. See this. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 19:18, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
- This is an unreliable source and is not an officially registered media. Read there. A criminal case has been opened on this fact under
criminal code articles related to the attack on journalists. Read reliable sources: [1] Ukrayinska Pravda, glavcom.ua, [https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fodessa-life.od.ua%2Fnews%2F49343-Sotrudnikov-Municipalnoy-varty-privlekut-k-otvetstvennosti-za-izbienie-zhurnalista Local official newspaper], Institute of Mass Media, Commentary by officials — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.101.15.10 (talk) 11:43, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
- Who do you think you're fooling? The source you claim prove that Dumskaya.net was lying is about a totally different case, not the one I linked to, "Public Surf" etc mentioned in your "sources" are directly connected to one of the groups involved in the fighting, and thus not neutral, and multiple reliable sources state that criminal cases have been initiated against both sides in the fight. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 13:13, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
- Can you not distinguish an releiteble source from a unreliable source? This is enough not to refer to this information, but to be guided by reliable and notability sources that are responsible for the information provided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.101.15.10 (talk • contribs)
- Yes I can, but in your case it's either a case of not understanding what the sources say, or a deliberate attempt to mislead. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 14:07, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
- Who do you think you're fooling? The source you claim prove that Dumskaya.net was lying is about a totally different case, not the one I linked to, "Public Surf" etc mentioned in your "sources" are directly connected to one of the groups involved in the fighting, and thus not neutral, and multiple reliable sources state that criminal cases have been initiated against both sides in the fight. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 13:13, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
- OSCE Conclusion — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.101.15.10 (talk • contribs)
- That's not a conclusion but a partisan view by "Redut Law Company", a company very closely related to Oleg Maltsev (he in fact claims to work there), the leader of the group that the Municipal Guard fought with, and thus not a reliable source for this. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 12:19, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
- You provided 1 unreliable source, I presented several reliable and notability. It looks like you are whitening this organization. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.101.15.10 (talk • contribs)
- Nope, the source is NOT unreliable, and none of the "sources" you have presented here supports your claims. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 14:07, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
- If you claim that [dumskaya.net it] is a reliable source, then you do not understand what is written there. The sources that I cited refute your position. The question is why you could not find more highly cited and reliable sources? But you managed to find a dubious source that whitens the Municipal Guard. And you say that it is reliable. What are you guided by in Wikipedia:Reliable sources? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.101.15.10 (talk) 17:22, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
- Part of the article is already sourced to dumskaya.net, and you don't seem to have any problems with that, so how come they're a good reliable source when they support your version of things, but a bad unreliable source when they don't? As for reliable sources much of the "Scandals" section is sourced to "Unsolved Crimes", a web-publication with strong ties to the group that clashed with the Municipal Guard, and thus hardly a reliable source for that, "Public Surf" and "Redut Law Company" also have strong ties to that group, meaning we can't automatically assume that what they say is true either, and the fact that you lied about your sources further up in this discussion doesn't help your case either... - Tom | Thomas.W talk 18:30, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
- Nope, the source is NOT unreliable, and none of the "sources" you have presented here supports your claims. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 14:07, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
- That's not a conclusion but a partisan view by "Redut Law Company", a company very closely related to Oleg Maltsev (he in fact claims to work there), the leader of the group that the Municipal Guard fought with, and thus not a reliable source for this. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 12:19, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
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