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Reviewer: Gog the Mild (talk · contribs) 09:20, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Criteria

Good Article Status - Review Criteria
Further information: WP:WIAGA

A good article is—

  1. Well-written:
    2. (a) the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct; and
    (b) it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.[1]
  2. Verifiable with no original research:
    3. (a) it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline;
    (b) reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose);[2]
    (c) it contains no original research; and
    (d) it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.
  3. Broad in its coverage:
    4. (a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic;[3] and
    (b) it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
  4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
  5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
    6. [4]
  6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
    7. [5]
    (a) media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content; and
    (b) media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.[6]

Review

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  1. Well-written:
    2. Criteria Notes Result
    (a) (prose) Some sentences seem a little long for easy comprehension. But that may be a personal preference and the article more than meets the GA requirements. Pass Pass
    (b) (MoS) All of the GA level MoS requirements are met. Pass Pass
  2. Verifiable with no original research:
    3. Criteria Notes Result
    (a) (references) Densely cited. Pass Pass
    (b) (citations to reliable sources) An appropriate set of RSs. Good to see so many relatively recent ones. Pass Pass
    (c) (original research) There is no evidence of OR. Pass Pass
    (d) (copyvio and plagiarism) Earwig shows no issues. Pass Pass
  3. Broad in its coverage:
    4. Criteria Notes Result
    (a) (major aspects) All major aspects of the subjects life and times are covered. Pass Pass
    (b) (focused) The article seems appropriately focused. Pass Pass
  4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
    5. Notes Result
    There is no evidence of bias and the article is presented with a NPOV. Pass Pass
  5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
    6. Notes Result
    The reviewer has no notes here. Pass Pass
  6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
    7. Criteria Notes Result
    (a) (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales) So far as I can ascertain, all images are free use. Pass Pass
    (b) (appropriate use with suitable captions) Adequate use of images, with appropriate captions. Pass Pass

Result

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Result Notes
Pass Pass A fine, well worked article. Detailed, succinct, to the point. An informative treat to read. Densely cited to a solid mix of sources. Also good to see the appropriate use of Islamic dating. Gog the Mild (talk) 09:17, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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I plan to start this in two or three days. Gog the Mild (talk) 09:23, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References.

  • Several books are missing publisher locations.
  • Updated. The remaining ones are papers, not books, so they don't have ISBN.
  • Optional. Single page references should ideally be p., not pp.; multi-page references pp., not p.
@Gog the Mild: Thanks for the review. Let me know if there's more I can do. 06:25, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hi HaEr48. No problem, I have been eying this since you nominated it but have been struggling for time. I didn't ping you as these were my initial thoughts prior to actually reading the article. (Which I hope to start, or even finish, tomorrow.) It seems in good shape and I don't foresee problems. Thanks for remedying them so quickly. Gog the Mild (talk) 10:04, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@HaEr48:

Prose

  • I have made a few small copy edits; revert anything you don't like.
  • Thank you. All of them looks good to me, except that I don't understand why you modified "His religious views appeared" to now say appear. Shouldn't it be in past tense? HaEr48 (talk) 05:19, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You are quite right. I meant to change it to "His religious views appear to have transformed during his career." but relooking at it I don't see why I needed to change it. Reverted.
  • "Ibn Hud". It is usual to give names in full on first mention.
  • I think that Alcazaba should be in italics, with a bracketed translation.
  • Optional: "During his rulership, Muhammad placed loyal men in castles and cities". "Rulership" seems a little clunky to me.
  • "the Banu Ashqilula". Sometimes you use the definite article and sometimes you don't. This should be consistent. (IMO it should be used.)
  • Added the to everything
  • "The Banu Ashqilula agreed to negotiate under the mediation of Al-Tahurti from Morocco. Before these efforts bore fruit, Muhammad suffered fatal injuries after falling from a horse on 22 January 1273. He was succeeded by his son and designated successor Muhammad II." It would be useful to know the outcome of the negotiations.
  • I tried to briefly describe the short-term resolution of this conflict here. Does that make sense?
That makes perfect sense. It just seemed to leave a loose thread from a readers point of view. Now tied up.
  • Initially the occasional date is given parenthetically in the Islamic calendar, which I think is a very appropriate idea. This stops in 1238 (365). I think that a couple of further 'translations' would be helpful.
  • I added another one for death. But sources don't always give the Islamic calendar year for many events, especially the minor ones. An Islamic year does not begin or end at the same time as the solar year, and is a bit shorter, so there's no one-to-one mapping. I think it's okay to only have it for major events, as we do now. What do you think? HaEr48 (talk) 05:19, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Just what I was trying, poorly, to communicate. That looks good.

A fine article and interesting to read. Could you take a look at the points above and let me know what you think. Gog the Mild (talk) 11:19, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Additional notes

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  1. ^ Compliance with other aspects of the Manual of Style, or the Manual of Style mainpage or subpages of the guides listed, is not required for good articles.
  2. ^ Either parenthetical references or footnotes can be used for in-line citations, but not both in the same article.
  3. ^ This requirement is significantly weaker than the "comprehensiveness" required of featured articles; it allows shorter articles, articles that do not cover every major fact or detail, and overviews of large topics.
  4. ^ Vandalism reversions, proposals to split or merge content, good faith improvements to the page (such as copy editing), and changes based on reviewers' suggestions do not apply. Nominations for articles that are unstable because of unconstructive editing should be placed on hold.
  5. ^ Other media, such as video and sound clips, are also covered by this criterion.
  6. ^ The presence of images is not, in itself, a requirement. However, if images (or other media) with acceptable copyright status are appropriate and readily available, then some such images should be provided.
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