Talk:Mubarak Bala

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Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 04:40, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

November 2022

Hi @Louis P. Boog, here's why I reverted your recent changes:

I don't think the short description requires more detail than "activist", as it is meant to be succinct, and the word "humanist" is rather ambiguous, at least to casual readers.
I don't think "Psychiatric hospital internment" is a good section header when the content doesn't exclusively focus on his internment.
I don't find "Mubarak Muhammad Bala is from a highly respected family, descended from generations of Islamic scholars" to be a very encyclopedic statement, and I also don't think it's highly relevant to the article topic.

Please let me know your thoughts on this. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 18:26, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Revirvlkodlaku "Nigerian humanist activist" is well less than 40 characters. How can you be concerned about "humanist activist" being ambiguous but not simply"activist"?? Activist for what? Trade unions? Islamic revival? historic preservation? Louis P. Boog (talk) 02:34, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Is that all you wish to add to the three points I've made? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 02:37, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

as the president of the humanist society in Nigeria, it certainly is a relevant description. Louis P. Boog (talk) 02:48, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ambiguousness of humanism: "Starting in the 20th century, humanist movements have typically been non-religious and aligned with secularism." Maybe if Bala was a "humanist scholar" it might be ambiguous, but activism is pretty much by definition contemporary. Louis P. Boog (talk) 03:27, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Revirvlkodlaku "from a highly respected family, descended from generations of Islamic scholars" is a quote from the New York Times, the "newspaper of record" in the USA. so a pretty WP:RS.

As for the relevance, it would explain their great interest in and possibly the influence to put Bala in a psychiatric hospital. It would help explain the notability of the whole tragedy for Kano, for the Nigerian Islamic community., and to some extent maybe the humanist community as a prestigious convert. Louis P. Boog (talk) 02:46, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not strongly opposed to the inclusion of "humanist" in the sd, I just think it's unnecessary. The sd is primarily intended to disambiguate, and I think "Nigerian activist" does the trick.

Yes WP:SDESC does say "short descriptions are not intended to define the subject of the article, but rather to distinguish it from other similarly named articles in search results," but if you can give a better description with only a total of three words (26 characters by my count), why not?

You modified the other two points, and I've made a few edits. I think it's fine now. Thoughts? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 02:51, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Don't see any differences worth arguing about. Have a nice day. --Louis P. Boog (talk) 20:48, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]