Talk:Mozdok–Makhachkala–Kazi Magomed pipeline

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Baku-Novo Filya pipeline is actually an Azerbaijani section of the Mozdok-Makhachkala-Gazi-Magomet (Qazıməmməd) pipeline. Novo Filya is a border-crossing point between Russia and Azerbaijan. I propose to rename this article and cover in it the whole pipeline including the Russian section. Beagel (talk) 19:22, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Beagel, could you please provide links to a map for Mozdok-Makhachkala-Gazi-Magomet pipeline or any other information on it? I searched and couldn't find any. Due to lack of information on Mozdok-Gazi-Magomet pipeline, I assumed it was a direct pipeline linking Azerbaijan's Gazimagomet with Russian/North Ossetian Mozdok going northwest. In fact, I was going to collect more data to start a new article on Mozdok-Gazi-Magomet. But now, looking at the topographic map, I can see it would be a hard terrain for a pipeline if it were direct (Mozdok-GM). Existence of a route through Makhachkala makes sense. As far as Novo Filya is concerned it is a name of the area which they apparently name everything after, including border crossing point. Here is a picture of the substation, or rather a gas metering utility of Novo Filya which has been under reconstruction and should be operational by 2010. I'd agree with renaming the article to cover the whole pipeline if we redirect Baku-Novo Filya pipeline information to a big subsection (existing in the current article) on it due to political significance of the deal/pipeline. What are your suggestions? Tuscumbia (talk) 23:48, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are two Mozdok-Gazi-Magomet pipelines: one through Chechnya and Dagestan (Makhachkala), and one through Georgia (Tbilisi) and Kazakh in Azerbaijan. As for search results, I suggest to use just Mozdok pipeline because Makhachkala usually is not included in the name of the pipeline and Gazi-Magomet has a lot of different spellings (please see Qazıməmməd, which gives only few of different spellings. It would be also issue to discuss which speeling should be used in this article). Just few relevant search results: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6]. Another pipeline worth to have its own article is the Gazi-Magomet-Astara-Bin-Biand pipeline, which was used for gas import from Iran and now will be used for Azerbaijani gas export to Iran. I hope I will have more time later this week to deal with these articles. Beagel (talk) 05:42, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the links, Beagel. I guess we can change the name if necessary, however, in the existence of two routes of Mozdok-Gazi-Magomet it can get confusing. What's also confusing is that if you look at the map on page 20 of the article you sent, it doesn't even show Baku-Novo Filya line. The gas pipeline you're talking about is shown to start in Kazi-Magomet and is routed through a gas metering station somewhere in northeast of Azerbaijan and ends in or goes through Khudat area which can be considered Novo-Filya border crossing point. However, there is no indication that it starts from Shirvanovka gas metering station which is located in Baku, 100+ kilometers away from Kazi-Magomet. As far as the spelling of the Kazi-Magomet is concerned, we can use one mostly used in media or ask Azeri users in Wikipedia to suggest the best choice. Tuscumbia (talk) 14:30, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, Shirvanovka gas metering station is not located in Baku, but vice versa - on the Azerbaijan-Russia border.[7] I think that media just made a mistake and changed the ends of the pipeline. As of direct pipeline from Baku to the border, there is no direct line - gas should flow through Gazi-Magomet. Baku was mentioning as a starting point because all Azeri gas is produced offshore (Shah Deniz gas field) and the landing point is in vicinity of Baku. In this context it is correct to say that route starts from Baku, but technically there are different pipelines between Baku and Gazi-Magomet and between Gazi-Magomet and the border. Beagel (talk) 17:54, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For the pipelines, please see this map. I recommend to enlarge it at least 4x of normal size. Beagel (talk) 18:01, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, you convinced me :) In fact, Shirvanovka happens to be a somewhat similar to Novo-Filya which is a name of a settlement, GMS, border crossing point, etc. Here is a map of Shirvanovka right at the border. Thanks for the link with a map. Tuscumbia (talk) 19:22, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]