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Laurel Lodged, please desist

User:Laurel Lodged keeps deleting a number of perfectly valid items on this page, and restoring irrelevant refs to "civil parish" (linking to Civil parishes in England) and to the administrative county of North Tipperary, neither of which have, nor have never had, any meaning in Mid Tipperary GAA. See [1], [2], [3]. If there is any evidence that Moyne-Templetuohy club has ever operated by reference to British-defined civil parish boundaries or to the administrative county created in 2001, it would be helpful to produce it here. If there is no such evidence, and these disruptive edits continue, I see no alternative to a topic ban. Brocach (talk) 16:20, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The direction to civil parish is easily solved; use Civil parishes in Ireland instead. Glad to be of service. The citation in the GAA page involved a link to a page that no longer exists. Whether that page ever contained the phrase "Roman Catholic", we may never know. In any case, I've located to link to the current Official Guide for 2013 and have inserted the link to the GAA citation. This Guide makes no mention of "Roman Catholic parish"; instead it refers to "parish" and "county". Both of these things refer to units of civil administration, so it seems sensible to assume that a non sectarian, civil interpretation should be used. In the case of the RC church, the use of county is entirely meaningless as the next level of organization in the hierarchy is deanery and diocese. No part of the RC church in Ireland is organised along strict county lines; every diocese straddles county lines. So it seems reasonable to suppose that a rule that employs both parish and county cannot have had an ecclesiastical interpretation. Even if an ecclesiastical interpretation ought to be employed, it is not stated which ecclesiastical denomination ought to be used: RC, CoI, Presbyterian, Methodist? By the way, the "British" defined boundaries are still law in the Republic. Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:51, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The ecclesiastical interpretation is crystal-clear; the Official Guide contained explicit reference to parish as meaning an area under a "Parish Priest or Administrator", until the 2013 GAA Congress. Tipperary has enforced the Catholic parish rule since 1934. Brocach (talk) 18:01, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Clear in a non-provable citation? The sources say what the sources say. Produce other sources that contradict the GAA's own official policy, if such a thing exists or can be deem to be of any significance. At most, any ecclesiastical mention deserves an historical footnote. Laurel Lodged (talk) 18:51, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

FFS - talk about disingenuous - the proof was in the "Parish Priest" reference was in the text that you, Laurel Lodged, personally excised from the main GAA article just a few minutes ago. An authoritative online source is given in that article proving that this wording was in the GAA rule until the 2013 Congress. You may not like the rule, but you cannot produce any evidence, because there is none, that the GAA in Tipperary or anywhere else has taken the slightest notice of civil parishes. Brocach (talk) 19:03, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well of course I excised it: why would I leave a quote from a non existent source lying around? There is no "authoritative online source" for the quote. If the quote can't be proven to exist, there is no quote. If the sources don't support it, it goes. Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:27, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(excuse me for shouting, non-stupid people) LOOK HERE LIKE IT SAYS ON THE GAA PAGE: [4] - it exists, it's online, it's a quote, it says what I said it says, and if the GAA website isn't an authoritative enough source for quotes about the rules of the GAA then perhaps you can tell us what sources are authoritative on your planet. Brocach (talk) 23:51, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(insert Liverpudlian accent) Calm down, calm down. So you managed to track down a source for the excised quote; well done you. Unfortunately, that source, the 2012 Official Guide, has now been superceded by the 2013 Official Guide which no mention of ecclesiastical demarcation zones. As you say above, "if the GAA website isn't an authoritative enough source...."; I'm quite happy to use the GAA. So at best, the ecclesiastical references deserve a minor foornote, as I already said above. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:02, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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