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The page might or might not be a copyvio, but it does assert notability. If nothing else, stubification is appropriate.--Striver - talk 18:30, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

On the COPYVIO subject, it is true that much of this text is startlingly reminiscent of that on the official website. Have reworded it somewhat. --AndersW (talk) 20:58, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

[1] [2] --Striver - talk 14:18, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


i did not creat this. --Striver - talk 22:15, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Why is being "the eldest and largest institution of its kind in Israel" not an assertion of notability? --Striver - talk 13:19, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's an assertion of notability, all right ... just not much of one ... "eldest and largest institution of its kind in Isreal" ... and just how many others are there "of its kind" in this country that (a) has only been around for less than 60 years and (b) has a population that is only three-quarters the size of Los Angeles County? Eldest by how long? Twelve years or twelve months? Largest by how much? Twice a large, or only 25% more members than it's closest competition?
But the numbers are not important ... what is important is a verifiable independent source for the assertion, i.e., from someplace other than the subject's own website!
Granted, you have to rely on the subject of an article for some facts, like membership numbers, which are not generally part of the public record (except that in the US, at least, the circulation of monthly newsletters for incorporated social organizations must be reported annually to the federal government via the US Postal Service, so it is not hard to verify) ... Mensa International (which, BTW, is older than the nation of Israel by two years) says that they have 100,000 members world-wide, with 50,000 in the US and 25,500 in the UK, and we have to take their word for those assertions because it would be very hard independent 3rd party verification of their world-wide membership ... OTOH, the assertion that Mensa "is the largest, oldest, and most well-known high IQ society in the world" is easily verified by multiple independent reliable sources, so many in fact that there is no need to cite any one source ... the fact that the assertion is also mentioned on their website is not what is being used as the only source for the assertion, as is the case with the subject of this article.
So, I'll grant that there is an "assertion of notability," but I challenge the WP:V of the source being used to establish WP:N, i.e., the subject's own website ... that's why I put the {{importance}} template on it, because without any other sources, it sure looks like they're just blowing their own horn ... or would you prefer that I had used a {{notability}} template instead? —72.75.85.159 (talk · contribs) 16:53, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I made a simple search and found a link to their site from princton, so considering that and that i did not create this, and not having much interest in it, im leaving it to the fellow editors to continue working on this article. --Striver - talk 19:06, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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