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Which reliable sources uses the Morisena name when referring to this castra? Borsoka (talk) 17:59, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore, the official list of archaeological sites in Romania (RAN [[1]]) only uses the term "Morisena" in medieval context, when referring to a fortress existing in the 10th-17th centuries. The official list does not mention any Roman forts in the settlement. Borsoka (talk) 07:13, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Mentioning the Latin/Dacian (Latin: Marisus, Serbian: Moriš) derived name Morisena as the name of 10th century fortress is a proof of Daco-Romanian continuity. It is well know that each important roman city had a fortress. Secondly, the findings of legionary stamps should make clear that a roman army stationed in a fort here, even if the fort was not yet found. Saturnian (talk) 07:42, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I do not understand your above remarks. If my understanding is correct, you suggest that there is no modern reliable sources using the medieval name M-O-risena in the context of the article, because the Latin name of the river was M-A-risus. However, if there are no modern reliable sources using the present title, the article should be renamed. I do not deny that the castra existed: however, the official list of archaeological sites does not refer to it. Is there a modern reliable source referring to the castra? Borsoka (talk) 08:13, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal for deletion

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For first sight, the article is based on reliable sources. However, none of the modern sources substantiate its text. The official National Archaeological Record of Romania refers to a castle named Morisena, but not in the Roman period, but in the Early Middle Ages. Similarly, the [2] uses the expression Morisena, but not in the context of the article, because for the Roman period it writes of Tibiscum. Therefore, the article should be deleted. Borsoka (talk) 19:40, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Contradictions in the article can be resolved by editing and fixing them. These are no grounds to request an article deletion. --Codrin.B (talk) 14:35, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Dear, Codrinb, I have never referred to contradictions in the article. I tried to avoid the expression "hoax". However, the article is real a hoax: its subject never existed. Or could you cite a modern reliable source which refers to a castra called MORISENA in Roman time? Borsoka (talk) 16:53, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose because:
  1. "Eutropius Flavius, istoric latin din secolul IV î.e.n., scrie într-una din operele sale despre principalele oraşe-cetăţi romane din Dacia Rupensis, amintind de oraşul Morisenum." [1]
  2. "La extremitatea Imperiului Roman din Moesia Superioară în Dacia Ripensis, pe malul stâng al râului Mureş împăratul Traian a aşezat o colonie romană şi mai multe cohorte ale Legiunii XIII Gemina, care au ridicat aici un castru şi un oraş însemnat numit Morisena sau Mureşana.(18) Denumirea a primit-o de la râul Mureş şi de le tribul dac Morasian, care îşi avea reşedinţa aici înainte de venirea romanilor." [1]
  3. "Între 106-274 e.n. localitatea Sânnicolau Mare împreună cu cetatea Morisena devine oraş sub Imperiul Roman." [1]
  1. ^ a b c Dr.Constantin Vert & others: "Monografia orașului Sânnicolau Mare", 2004, ISBN 973-0-05147-6 Parameter error in {{ISBN}}: checksum
Thanks, Anon. Even if the use of the "Morisena" expression in the time of the Roman Empire (when the river, after which the urbs should have been named, was still called Marissus) is ridicolous, the above source looks like a reliable source. Borsoka (talk) 18:05, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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