Talk:Monsieur

This article was nominated for deletion on 15 August 2009 (UTC). The result of the discussion was keep.

"is now generally used as an honorific for all men"

in what language?! English or French?

But this is clearly untrue. I've corrected. --Daniel C. Boyer 20:11, 25 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Abbreviation

The article presently reads:

Written [Monsieur Dupont] Error: {{Lang}}: text has italic markup (help), M^r Dupont; the plural is [Messieurs] Error: {{Lang}}: text has italic markup (help) (abbreviation: M^rs).

I've only ever seen the abbreviated forms M. (singular) and MM. (plural). I'm changing the article accordingly. Opera hat (talk) 15:46, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

M^r and M^rs aren't used really often, but they are. They're still correct in French. It's an old linguist quarrel, to know which form is the best, and which form must be erased from dictionaries. But actually, both are correct and used.

I'll add these forms in the article, and precise they're infrequent. --Mr Hart (talk) 09:47, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It may be a regional thing, but in South-West France, Mr seems to be the almost universal usage. Perhaps a native speaker could comment. Dorset100 (talk) 18:25, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Monsieur as a royal title

Here are all the men eligible to have been called "Monsieur" since 1599:

Monarch	Date	King's second son	King's eldest brother	(late King's eldest brother)
François II	10 July 1599		Charles, duc d'Orléans
Charles IX	5 December 1560		Henri, duc d'Anjou
Henri III	30 May 1574		François, duc d'Alençon (later d'Anjou)
Henri III	19 June 1584
Henri IV	2 August 1589
Henri IV	16 April 1607	Nicholas-Henri, duc d'Orléans
Louis XIII	14 May 1610		Nicholas-Henri, duc d'Orléans
	17 November 1611		Gaston, duc d'Anjou (later d'Orléans)
	21 September 1640	Philippe, duc d'Anjou	Gaston, duc d'Anjou (later d'Orléans)
Louis XIV	14 May 1643		Philippe, duc d'Anjou (later d'Orléans)	Gaston, duc d'Orléans
	2 February 1660
	5 August 1668	Philippe-Charles, duc d'Anjou
	10 July 1671
	14 June 1672	Louis-François, duc d'Anjou
	4 November 1672
	8 June 1701
Louis XV	1 September 1715
	30 August 1730	Philippe de France
	17 April 1733
Louis XVI	10 May 1774		Louis, comte de Provence
	27 March 1785	Louis-Charles, duc de Normandie
	4 June 1789
Louis XVII	21 January 1793			Louis, comte de Provence
Louis XVIII	8 June 1795		Charles, comte d'Artois
Charles X	16 September 1824

Monsieur with a first name

I removed the sentence about the use of Monsieur with a first name, wich was:

This title may commonly be also prefixed to a first name (e.g. Monsieur Jean), unlike Standard English "mister".

It is never, absolutely never, used with a first name. If you see Monsieur with a first name, it must be a figure of speech, not a common use. Monsieur Jean is correct only if "Jean" stand for the last name. But it's correct to use Monsieur with the complete name, like Monsieur Alain Blanchard.

—Mr Hart (talk) 10:30, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation

Since the pronunciation of this word doesn't jibe with the spelling, would someone add it? (My French isn't good enough.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.49.73.8 (talk) 14:20, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"M." listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect M. has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 May 10 § M. until a consensus is reached. BD2412 T 13:12, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]