Talk:Mohan Charan Majhi

Patnaik's term

@Magentic Manifestations: In my opinion Patnaik's term of 24 years is important. He is stepping in huge shoes. Just short of ~60+ days and Patnaik would have been longest serving CM of India. Why do you not want to keep that information? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 11:10, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

@Dharmadhyaksha While this is highly relevant say for the article on Chief Minister of Odisha or Naveen Patnaik, I think it is a stretch to mention it here in the context. In my opinion, whether NP was there for 24 days or years is irrelevant from the context of Majhi becoming CM and "Stepping into huge shoes" is subjective. If you want to bring in this point to probably show how rare is to become the CM of Odisha, given that the same person was there for so long, it can be copy edited to say that, "Majhi became the CM.... replacing NP, who held the position since xxxx". This would bring about the fact that he was continuously holding it for the past so many years, so as to prove that rarity of the occurrence. Thanks! Magentic Manifestations (talk) 12:06, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't mind adding it as per your proposed words.
So your objection was only on mentioning 24 years; but it's ok if readers have to do the math? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 13:23, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

My objection was not that. As per the earlier words, it specified that NP was CM for 24 years but not continuously for the past 24 years. As I had explained in my previous post, it tends to convey different context. Hence, "past" is the keyword here which implies continuously past period and not mentioning 24 years. So, it can be since xxxx or past 24 years, or can be both (for the past x years since xxxx). Magentic Manifestations (talk) 14:53, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by Launchballer talk 06:30, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

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• Mohan Charan Majhi
• 2024 Odisha Legislative Assembly election

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• ... that Mohan Charan Majhi of Bharatiya Janata Party formed the Odisha state government by winning the elections ending the 24-year long Biju Janata Dal rule?

• Source: CNBC TV 18, The Statesman

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Way Less Sad and Template:Did you know nominations/Gloria Dickie

5x expanded by Dharmadhyaksha (talk), Rohitsetthachok (talk), Magentic Manifestations (talk), and Aditya anu (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 67 past nominations.

§§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 18:56, 15 June 2024 (UTC).

• @Dharmadhyaksha: Articles are long enough and were created/expanded within 7 days of submission. Articles are presentable, sourced, and copy-vio free, though I think the election article could use copyediting to make it more readable (missing punctuation, rephrasing to sound more natural, etc.}. Additionally, the hook's claim that Majhi "formed" a state government isn't stated in the source nor in either article. These things would need to be addressed before approval. Kimikel (talk) 19:19, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

@Kimikel: Some minor copyediting done. Unfortunately i could not fina any glaring copy editing requirements. But you can help, if you think some sentences need tweeking.
When a Chief Minister takes oath they form the government. Statesman says the new government is formed and that Majhi is the new CM. I don't see what the confusion here is. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 06:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

• Requesting a second opinion, as I obviously lack knowledge on the workings of Indian politics. Hopefully someone more acquainted with the subject can review this. Kimikel (talk) 20:08, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
  • General eligibility:
• New enough:
• Long enough:
• Other problems: - WP:DYKCOMPLETE

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting: - n

QPQ: Done.

Overall: I have copyedited Mohan Charan Majhi, but 2024 Odisha Legislative Assembly election is very poorly-written and needs an extensive copyedit to meet WP:DYKCOMPLETE; if the article updaters are unable, I would recommend nominating it at WP:GOCE, but that may take too long. There is also the problem of the hook not being very interesting. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:44, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for copyediting Majhi. I have copyedited the election article now. You can check it and do minor ce if needed. In a democratic country with regular elections, am not sure how many years of incumbency needs to be turned over to make it "very interesting" for DYK. Do we have a DYK guideline for that somewhere? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 08:03, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

@AirshipJungleman29: Have your concerns been resolved? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 19:51, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

No, the nomination still needs an interesting hook—one which doesn't describe a basic feature of politics. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:09, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

24 years of overturning a govt is not "basic" in a democratic country. @AirshipJungleman29: there are no specific guidelines for "interestingness". Few days back we had a lead hook about a swimmer swimming at the Olympics. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:32, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

On the contrary, it's very common; we just had an election here the UK and many such events occurred—Worthing West (UK Parliament constituency) is an example. We do have a guideline for "interestingness"—see WP:DYKINT. I would not have promoted that swimming hook on those grounds. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 09:24, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Single constituency (of 76k electorates) retaining its member for multiple elections is way different than a complete state of 147 constituencies (of 33200k electorates) doing it. If you wanna cite an example, cite one of equal magnitude. You may not be finding it interesting since you have wrong knowledge of elections in India. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

The hook is required to be unusual or intriguing for readers with no special knowledge or interest. If the hook is only interesting to those with good knowledge of Indian elections, it does not satisfy the DYK guidelines. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:42, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

The "interestingness" is subjective and we cant follow your POV on it. We will wait for others to chime in. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:52, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

I see the second-oldest open nomination is yours as well. Rest assured this isn't about you. It's us trying to cope with the onslaught of too many nominations. Schwede66 06:27, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Seems pretty complicated to normal readers.🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 04:40, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

I concur that a hook about a basic feature of politics is not interesting. I'd suggest something like "ALT1 ...that Mohan Charan Majhi went from being suspended from the Odisha Legislative Assembly for throwing dal at the speaker's podium to becoming its Chief Minister in less than a year", but a) I'm not sure the sourcing's strong enough, and b) I suspect the DYKHOOKBLP police might snort.--Launchballer 12:09, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @Launchballer: Alt1 suggested by your is ok with me. Just simplifying it as ALT1a below keeping the reason of suspension out for curiosity.

ALT1a: ... that Mohan Charan Majhi went from being suspended from the Odisha Legislative Assembly to becoming its Chief Minister in less than a year?

Both sources for suspension, The Times of India and NDTV are strong enough (not sure why Layncballer has doubts on them.) As for the BLP Police, do we wait for a month for someone to object or how do we go about it? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:43, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

The Times of India is yellow on WP:RSP and I saw "(Except for the headline, this story has not been edited by NDTV staff and is published from a syndicated feed.)" on the NDTV source, although looking at its source, the Press Trust of India, no-one at RSP has complained about it so it should be fine. (Possibly showing my immaturity, but to me almost any kind of food fight's interesting.) I can't approve ALT1a and this is quite near the top, so someone should show up fairly quickly.--Launchballer 07:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm not giving this a tick, but I'd just like to point out that given that ToI is yellow and not red. Being yellow, and even being red in some cases, doesn't necessarily mean it can't be used. It just means it has to be used on a case-by-case basis. It should be fine for non-controversial and straightforward stuff, although if a better source can be found, that would be preferable and the ToI source could be replaced. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:01, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

It means "additional considerations apply", and "man gets suspended for throwing food" is not non-controversial. I'm happy with the NDTV source.--Launchballer 18:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

• Two months have passed since the nomination yet issues have remained unresolved. Marking for closure per WP:DYKTIMEOUT. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:19, 15 August 2024 (UTC)