Talk:Mohammad Saifullah Ozaki

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Review: March 31, 2024. (Reviewed version).

A fact from Mohammad Saifullah Ozaki appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 25 May 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Mohammad Saifullah Ozaki, an academic in Japan born to a Hindu family in Bangladesh, became a leader in the Islamic State?

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Nominator: An anonymous username, not my real name (talk · contribs)

Reviewer: Steelkamp (talk · contribs) 14:00, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I aim to get this review done within a week from now. Steelkamp (talk) 14:00, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good article criteria

Well written

To comply with MOS:SURNAME, subsequent mentions of his given name beyond the first sentence should be replaced with his surname.
Done
This claim had been refuted by the Islamic State in October 2016... Can this be changed to This claim was refuted by the Islamic State in October 2016...
Done
...during a visit 2006... Change to ...during a visit in 2006...
Done
I feel the first sentence of the lead doesn't adequately introduce Mohammad Saifullah Ozaki to readers. I would mention he was a member of IS, which is the most important piece of info about him.
Done
I also think the lead should mention he was raised as Hindu and converted to Islam in Japan.
Done

That's it for the prose review. Its a very well written article. I have made some small changes myself in addition to the three above points. I'll do a source review next and I expect to have some comments about broadness in coverage. Steelkamp (talk) 15:43, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Verifiable with no original research

Luckily since there are not that many references, I managed to spot check all of them. I found no issues there, although I made a few minor changes to citation formatting myself. Steelkamp (talk) 06:59, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Broad in its coverage

I found nothing that could be used to expand this article in my spot check of the references. However, when looking at the Japanese Wikipedia article on Ozaki, I found this source, which says his three remaining children travelled back to Japan after he was arrested in 2019. That could be added to the "Personal life" section. Steelkamp (talk) 06:59, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Added.

Neutral

Stable

Illustrated, if possible

No images, understandably. Steelkamp (talk) 06:59, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General

Only a few things to fix. A short but good article. Steelkamp (talk) 06:59, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your kind and helpful review. I've taken care of everything, although I noticed a slight hiccup in the article's first sentence: "born 1982" in is parentheses, while "as Sajit Chandra Debnath" is not, something more noticeable when previewing the article as parenthesized segments are hidden. There is also no comma before the word "also" in the same sentence. However you feel is best to address this is fine with me. Anonymous 18:34, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've improved that sentence based on the examples at MOS:BIRTHNAME. There is possibility for further improvement, but I'll leave it as that for now and pass the review. Steelkamp (talk) 02:44, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the article to the "Political figures" GA category, although I'm not 100% certain that is the best category. Feel free to move it somewhere else if you think that would be better. Steelkamp (talk) 02:54, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 23:36, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the Bangladeshi and Japanese Islamic State leader Mohammad Saifullah Ozaki, believed responsible for a bakery attack, had previously served as an associate professor at Ritsumeikan University? Source: Meet the mastermind of the Holey attack "Sajit Debnath aka Muhammad Saifullah Ozaki, the Japanese-Bangladeshi jihadi and former associate professor of Ritsumeikan University, is most likely the elusive ameer of ISIS in Bangladesh, responsible for a series of jihadi attacks in the country including the July 2016 massacre at the Holey Artisan Bakery."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Vostok 2022

Improved to Good Article status by An anonymous username, not my real name (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.

Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.

Anonymous 16:48, 31 March 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing:
Neutral: - issue
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited: - issue
Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article is new enough, long enough, and is well-sourced, but the source used here has an issue (see Buxton comments below). Possibly hook could be improved (see comment below), a really interesting article John Cummings (talk) 19:15, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I changed the review status thanks to Bruxton for flagging the issues. John Cummings (talk) 19:23, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding this nomination. It is a BLP so I am cautious about promoting a hook that seems to imply guilt before conviction. Also the bit in the hook about him being an associate professor... it appears in the lead uncited. In the body it just says "He began teaching at Kyoto's Ritsumeikan" - since it is a hook fact it should be stated in the body directly followed by a citation. The hook is 197 characters so it is 3 under the limit, but also gives too much info. (I also made this reply at DYK). I think we need a new hook that because this is a BLP. Bruxton (talk) 19:16, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@An anonymous username, not my real name: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 13:32, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bruxton:, five years later and Ozaki's whereabouts remain unclear, as well as the issue as to whether or not he was ever formally tried or convicted by any government. This source is rather intriguing and it seems quite plausible that he may have been among the militants sentenced to death (he certainly fits their description, but while the article mentions his name, it does not confirm that he was one of them). Without any formal conviction on record, I'm unsure what the hook would even be about, as he was only notable for his alleged IS membership. Perhaps something like "... that a Bangladeshi and Japanese academic, Mohammad Saifullah Ozaki, was captured in Syria and detained in Iraq?"? This is at least somewhat interesting without making any kind of accusation. Anonymous 01:23, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that before changing his name to Mohammad Saifullah Ozaki, the then-Ritsumeikan University associate professor Sajit Debnath hid his beard with a surgical mask?--Laun chba ller 02:55, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alt2 ... that Mohammad Saifullah Ozaki is considered an expert on Islamic finance and economic theory? --evrik ^(talk) 03:17, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I prefer ALT1 but let's see what @John Cummings and An anonymous username, not my real name:. If you like either John Cummings, give it a green tick again. Bruxton (talk) 03:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Bruxton, evrik, An anonymous username, not my real name, Launchballer, Z1720 I honestly don't know what the right thing to do is here, his article is almost entirely about his radicalisation and militancy but the hooks refer to his academic knowledge and wearing a surgical mask. Which seem kind of coincidental to the main content of the article. Is there anywhere we can ask for wider input? John Cummings (talk) 13:46, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The deafening silence may mean that not many people care about this nomination. How about this:

Alt3 ... that Mohammad Saifullah Ozaki was a Japanese academic born to a Hindu family in Bangladesh who became a leader in the Islamic State?

--evrik ^(talk) 17:45, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

evrik If you'd be willing to accept:

ALT3a: ... that Mohammad Saifullah Ozaki, an academic in Japan born to a Hindu family in Bangladesh, became a leader in Islamic State?

I can approve it. (Everything's in ref #4.)--Laun chba ller 08:17, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Launchballer: Okay by me. --evrik ^(talk) 14:51, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Let's roll.--Laun chba ller 14:53, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to everyone for working through this, glad it go to a good place, lets roll indeed :) John Cummings (talk) 20:34, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Detail about wife

Fascinating article and well-written. I'm seeing a Twitter post claiming that it was Ozaki's wife that was Muslim and that she converted him; is there reliable sources to back this up? If so she would be part of the small ethnic Japanese Muslim community. I'm not spotting any in English on a few quick searches; maybe something's in Japanese? 104.232.119.107 (talk) 18:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]