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Reviewer: Jackyd101 (talk · contribs) 14:28, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, I have reviewed this article against the Wikipedia:good article criteria and although I am not quite prepared to pass the article for GA immediately, I don't think there is a long way to go. I have listed below the principle problems which prevent this article from achieving GA status and I have also appended a list of other comments which, whilst they are not essential for GA, may help in the future development of the article. The article now has seven days to address these issues, and should the contributors disagree with my comments then please indicate below why you disagree and suggest a solution, compromise or explanation. Further time will be granted if a concerted effort is being made to address the problems, and as long as somebody is genuinely trying to deal with the issues raised then I will not fail the article. I am aware that my standards are quite high, but I feel that an article deserves as thorough a review as possible when applying for GA and that a tough review process here is an important stepping stone to future FAC attempts. Please do not take offence at anything I have said, nothing is meant personally and maliciously and if anyone feels aggrieved then please notify me at once and I will attempt to clarify the comments in question. Finally, should anyone disagree with my review or eventual decision then please take the article to WP:GAR to allow a wider selection of editors to comment on the issues discussed here. Well done on the work so far.--Jackyd101 (talk) 14:28, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Issues preventing promotion

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  • It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
  • I feel in general that the prose needs more work - I've listed the biggest problems below, but please read through the text thoroughly, out loud if you can. I always find that this helps me achieve a more fluid writing style and helps eliminate awkward phrasing.
  • "Due to his frequent bouts of disease" - disease was used in the last sentance of the previous paragraph, can you use a different word here?
  • "Instead, he recovered from illness . . ." too many "ands" in this sentance, please rephrase.
  • "19th Infantry saw action in the Battle of Taejon, seeing fighting" - "saw" and "seeing" too close to one another in this sentance.
  • "It subsequently moved" - "The unit subsequently"
  • "However, beginning in October 1950" - beginning is redundant as you say began later in the sentance.
  • "which were unprepared for the counterattack" - repetition of attack.
  • "2nd Battalion was holding positions" - repetition of "holding positions" from the last paragraph of the previous section.
  • It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  • It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  • "The family may have relocated to Merrillan, Wisconsin during Red Cloud's time there" - not clear, why was he in Merrillan?
  • Army records indicate he enlisted in Merrilan, but whether this was the location of his home or just the location of the closest recruiting station is unclear. —Ed!(talk) 02:24, 7 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "With World War II looming . . ." - Article jumps a seemingly important period here. He enlists in August 1941, the war breaks out in December 1941 and yet he is not deployed until November 1942. What was he/his unit doing in the meantime?
  • Likely this was due to his extended military training for the special forces. As you may know, Guadalcanal was among the first land campaigns for the Marines in WWII, and thus the first time a major ground component was used where Red Cloud may have been a part. —Ed!(talk) 02:24, 7 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "During this time, many of the troops were inexperienced and training opportunities were limited for him" - so what? Please put this sentance in context.
  • "the 19th Infantry was brought in to combat the NK 4th Division attempting to break through their lines." - Not clear, if the NK division was trying to break through the 19th's lines, how were they brought in, surely they were already in?
  • "wounding him. In spite of these wounds" - what were is wounds? Seems important in the context of his subsequent actions.
  • The list of decorations seems to be missing all of his World War Two medals.
  • I can find no sources definitively stating which of these medals he won. Since there has been an RFC going on at WT:MILHIST and "assuming" medals earned in situations like this has been an issue, I've left it out unless I have a definitive source. —Ed!(talk) 02:24, 7 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    a (fair representation): b (all significant views):
  • It is stable.
  • It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
    a (tagged and captioned): b (lack of images does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):
  • Overall:
    a Pass/Fail:

Other comments

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(These comments are not essential to passing GAN)

  • "his unit saw intense fighting in the campaign to secure the island" - do you know where and when his unit were engaged in this campaign? It shouldn't be too hard to trace the unit history.
    • Unfortunately, since I don't know anything more specific than the regiment he was assigned, I can only find very general overviews of its actions in the battle. —Ed!(talk) 14:40, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In the inter-war years, Red Cloud married and had a daughter, Annita" - is this really all we know about his family? Was his wife also Ho-Chunk? What was her name? etc.
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