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Mira Bellwether has been listed as one of the Language and literature good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Review: January 24, 2024. (Reviewed version).

A fact from Mira Bellwether appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 28 April 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Mira Bellwether's husband had already read her zine, Fucking Trans Women, years before he met her?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2023/April. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mira Bellwether.

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by BorgQueen (talk) 17:12, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Mira Bellwether's husband had already read her zine, Fucking Trans Women, years before he met her? Source: Holzer, Sloane (16 March 2023). "Mira Bellwether Fought for a World Where Trans Women Know Love and Pleasure". Them. Condé Nast. Retrieved 29 March 2023.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Goodwin Fire
- Comment: FTW previously ran in January, so I've used a hook primarily about Bellwether's personal life for variety.

Created by Tamzin (talk). Self-nominated at 03:18, 30 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Mira Bellwether; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: TERRIFIC read, so happy I decided to dive into this article for review! Copyvio Earwig check did come up with some high numbers, but they're all from direct quotes and I'm good with it here. Only note I have is that the hook says "years before he met her", but the sentence in the page only says "the first time he dated a trans woman" -- @Tamzin: I'm not withholding approval here because it's so close and very directly implied (and is also explicitly in the source for the sentence), but I think it would be good if you made it more explicit in the section. Really well done writing and great work! Nomader (talk) 13:51, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review, Nomader! :) The article reads better with the detail in question anyways, so I've added it. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 18:24, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also, just want to note, I had a moment's fear that the degree of (permissible) copying from the FTW article plus the degree of quoting would add up to less than 1,500 B of new readable prose (see DYKCRIT #1a/2a, DYKSG #A1/A2). So I checked. With the full article running 5,338 B as of this writing, the version with all copied sentences and quotes removed weighs in at a healthy 3,115. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 19:28, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Amazing contribution!

Thank you for this rich history! Elttaruuu (talk) 13:58, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Mira Bellwether/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Caeciliusinhorto (talk · contribs) 11:14, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will take this on. Comments soon Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 11:14, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. First impression is that this is an excellent article. Some minor observations:

"(Bellwether grew frustrated in subsequent years as, despite issue #0's popularity, submissions for issue #1 failed to materialize.)" I do not think that this needs to be in parentheses
Any reason that Autostraddle is not wikilinked? The other notable publications mentioned all are
Can an image of Bellwether be added? If there are no freely licensed ones available then a fair-use one would be permitted, as I understand it
The lead is lacking anything on Bellwether's death and legacy; a sentence just saying that she died in 2022 and briefly summarising her legacy beyond just FTW (which is, I realise, a big part of her legacy!) would be nice
Doing some spotchecking, I don't see that the Kellaway 2015 source supports the claim that it is with, really. The LGBTQ Nation article which it is bundled with does, so it's not a WP:V issue, but I don't see why the Kellaway source is there.
I'm not seeing any copyvio concerns (and the things which Earwig is flagging are all properly-attributed quotations)

Really this is mostly picking minor nits. I will give you some time to respond to this, but the article is pretty much GA standard as things stand Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 19:46, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much for taking a look at this!

Hmm so the parentheses are there because it breaks the temporal flow of the section. We're going from 2010 to late '10s/early '20s, back to describing the work published in '10, on to '13, on to '21, before two paragraphs looking at the work more longitudinally (impact of muffing, influence of disability). So if I were to take that line out of parentheses, I feel like the only way to avoid confusion would be to move it later, maybe to the end of the paragraph quoting Fielding. Or I guess another option would be to drop the parens but then have The zine (sometimes abbreviated... be the start of a new graf. But overall I still tend toward keeping the parens
added 22:04, 22 January 2024 (UTC): Oh I guess this would also be an option on removing the parens:
Finding submitted materials insufficient, she chose to make the zine a solo effort and number it "#0" to leave room for a "#1" featuring others' contributions; she would later grow frustrated as, despite issue #0's popularity, submissions for issue #1 failed to materialize. The zine (sometimes abbreviated FTW) explores a variety ...

This is how I would have written it personally, but it's a matter of personal style and I don't insist on it Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 22:05, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I'm guessing this is a holdover from text I copied from Fucking Trans Women (WP:NOATT, sole author), where there was probably a link on a preceding reference. Fixed!
I wouldn't call myself quite a WP:VEGAN, but I personally refrain from uploading non-free images except of works being discussed. If someone else wants to upload a fair-use image of the subject, I agree that that would be within policy. (Maybe I'll reach out at some point to her widower and ask if there's anything that could be CC-licensed, but he appears to have limited availability at the moment.)
I've added a bit to the lede. Not sure I love quite how I'm handling the Thom quote, but a paraphrase could come off as puffery, I worry. Would love to hear your thoughts.
added 01:37, 23 January 2024 (UTC): I've reworked the lede a bit more, and am happy with this version if you are.
Both sources tell roughly the same story, but LGTBQ Nation goes into slightly more detail about the arrest, and Killarney goes into slightly more detail about Bellwether. The added detail in Killarney doesn't really matter in terms of what's asserted in the article, but for a reader looking to know more, it may be of more use, especially since citing LGBTQ Nation and The Advocate is roughly equivalent, in non-LGTBQ terms, to citing Business Insider and The New York Times respectively.

Thanks again for the review! -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 22:00, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All looking good now. Any remaining quibbles I have are purely on personal taste grounds and I'm happy that this clearly meets the requirements of WP:GACR. Congratulations on your new GA! Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 22:05, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]