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About the sexual harassment cover-up allegations

@Cinemaandpolitics (talk) I have concerns about the allegations of cover-up the sexual harassment recently filed against Min. I know that this is not resolved and I believe everyone is innocent until proven guilty, but the situation is getting out of hand from the looks of it and with unease, I wonder if the details of the allegations put onto the article might strike off as not objective and not neutral, since there are some people who are bound to take sides rather than viewing this with a neutral position, and the privacy concerns need to be considered too. So there's a need to discuss how this should go if we are going to include this info on the article, so as to present it in a way that is fair for either party or the third persons concerned with this issue. I ain't no judge, but it will definitely cause great damage to either side when the outcome is made known. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 06:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Paper9oll, @Btspurplegalaxy, @HypeBoy, what do you all think of this issue too? might need your opinions too, because I am not as active in editing kpop stuff as you all do. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 06:45, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@NelsonLee20042020: I just added some info and made a few adjustments based on the sources you put in the subsection. I feel that we should continue to add information based on what have been published by reliable sources and make sure both parties' point of view are given due weight. I'll keep an eye out for the development of the controversy. Best, — ‎‎‎hhypeboyh 💬 • ✏️ 08:58, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 09:15, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@HypeBoy, I appreciate the help. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 09:22, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@NelsonLee20042020: No problem. — ‎‎‎hhypeboyh 💬 • ✏️ 09:30, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey NelsonLee20042020, I been following this news however it has been too ugly to follow on the sequences of events. As for the content already included in this section pertaining to this topic, I don't think it's WP:COATRACKed at the moment, however I can't comment further nor give advice on improvements as the situation is involving making it hard to pinpoint the various reportings. Apologies if my response is unhelpful. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 10:32, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Its okay, any opinion is understandable. For me, I am big fans of the Hybe girl groups (if not most) and this situation is not a happy one for them, especially since one of them just debuted this year and I looked forward for their debut since last year's survival show, and I feel bad for all of them in one way or another (of course I will not take sides), yet had to be level-headed and not get swayed for fear you will believe the wrong side (that would affect anyone if such cases happen, whether you intended to or not). NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 10:46, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Plus, had to avoid news related to this saga for some periods of time. They are capable of making you feel frustrated and feel tired of seeing this dragging on. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 10:49, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@HypeBoy, I just updated the details, would you like to review it first? NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 08:07, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@NelsonLee20042020: Yes, I've read the update and feel that it includes all the main points of the new source. I only added the info of HYBE's first investigation of the sexual harassment so the "HYBE agreed to re-investigate" part makes more sense. Otherwise, I see no problem for the time being. Best, — ‎‎‎hhypeboyh 💬 • ✏️ 10:27, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@NelsonLee20042020 Regarding the first paragraph. I think it is needed to explicitelly refer to what the accusations are in a case like this, general definitions are too vague.

Regarding the second paragraph I just feel that it is too big for both sides. They are giving ulterior details, motivations etc that can be condensed in a third of the space. I am refraining from doing the editing now but I do think it would help readability, there is no need to directly quote either in most cases. Cinemaandpolitics (talk) 19:28, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the reply. I am sorry that my response is late, but actually, I myself am refraining from doing the editing partly because of the issue is ongoing and it did not feel good to follow on this, and partly because I spent a majority of my wikipedia routine doing crime articles (creating and editing them) and might not be as regular when it comes to updating any Kpop things.

And for the record, the stepping down of Min as the CEO, I added it in but if it was not the right section to put the info in or any tweaks are required, please let me know. Good day to you. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 08:36, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You can edit any Kpop page you want. No previous experience is needed. There are mistakes in the current formulation though, Min didn't "resign", she was dismissed and says she will fight the decision. All is clearly explained on the linked source. Cinemaandpolitics (talk) 10:10, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the understanding and update. By the way, when I add in the source about Min stepping down, the source did not talk about her claims of unfair removal at first and she had not announced her stance back then actually. And I checked back once reading your comment, which is the point I realized it has been updated. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 13:07, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry, I didn't meant it that way. It's normal for sources to get it wrong. Especially in such delicate matters. Also Wikipedia is a collaborative effort, no editor is expected to write something perfectly alone.

And I feel like all the editors are more chill on the section now as well, the dust settled. Cinemaandpolitics (talk) 11:29, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure enough, like you said. It's kinda chill but the recent developments here might say a different story, though I would admit that the sentiments were not that favourable to Min and Newjeans, or to say the objective, it might be a fifty fifty issue now. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 05:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@NelsonLee20042020 The result of the tension was and is to deprive the section of most (if any) human elements. Who this favours is up to debate, but for me it simply makes the reading incredibly boring, and arguably confusing and not understandable for someone who isn't deep into the conflict.

Take for exemple the new development about New Jeans members doing their live. The only thing that emerges is their ultimatum of the 25th. But they have actually talked for 30 minutes, describing their opinion on the situation. There is zero mention of that, despite it being a very valuable primary source with proper subtitles done by a fansite. But I am sure if I try to edit the reasoning in it would be taken down with bullshit arguments. Which is a shame. Doesn't matter if you take their side or not, it should be in because it is interesting and develops the inner human conflict at stake. Cinemaandpolitics (talk) 14:12, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]