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Merger proposal

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The merger of Army Intelligence and United States Army Military Intelligence Corps are essentially discussing the same subject matter and should be merged.

  • Support - I should disclose up front that I created this article in January 2007. However, I think its very reasonable that the USA MI Corps and the Army Intelligence article should be consolidated as the subject matter is very closely related. This is what I suggest: rename the USA MI Corps article to "United States Army Military Intelligence," dropping the word "Corps" off the end. Then redirect the "Army Intelligence" page to this article, and incorporate what appears there into this article, with a subsection on the MI Corps as a part of USAMI. If someone will start the process by renaming the USAMIC article to just USAMI, I will be happy to do the rest. --AzureCitizen 18:40, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Done Tmaull 19:24, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Changes incorporated. Does everyone feel the combination works better? --AzureCitizen 20:40, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Freeyourmind775, if you go back and take a look, the Wikipedia entry for "Army Intelligence" was not redirected directly to US Army MI. Instead, it was converted into a disambiguation page in November 2007, stating first that Army Intelligence may refer to the intelligence component of any given nation's army, and secondly that in the US, it is ordinarily referred to as MI with a link to the US Army MI article. Also, note that there is a main article on "military intelligence" in Wikipedia in general for all nations. --AzureCitizen (talk) 15:37, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

United States Army Military Intelligence, is NEVER referred to as such, even on paper. It is always referred to as the United States Army Military Intelligence Corps. The reason for this, is that soldiers within the intelligence corps are NOT typically assigned directly to battalions like usualy soldiers anymore (Though there are exceptions within some of the Brigade Combat Teams). They are attached to Brigade MICOs (Military Intelligence Companies), and from there attached to units. They do not fall directly under the chain of command of the unit they are assigned to, and work in either S-2 shops at Battalion level. At higher levels they work in a Brigade S-2/Divison G-2 or in smaller WIT teams, ACE groups, SEC-C groups, or SIGs which are tasked out as needed.Freeyourmind775 (talk) 10:08, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • The Military Intelligence Corps is a subset of Military Intelligence, hence the overall article is "USAMI" and the MI Corps appears inside the article under it's own heading. All MI personnel are part of the MI Corps, but MI comprises more than just the MI Corps. Although within MI you will not see documents referring to MI as "United States Army Military Intelligence," the article name was chosen to ensure it would be distinct from other nations or services and thus avoid ambiguity.
  • Many MI Soldiers are assigned to an MI unit which is then tasked out to support specific larger units, but there are also numerous MI personnel directly assigned to a given battalion or brigade working in the S-2 (i.e., those slots are organic to that battalion or brigade and part of the MTOE).
  • In the numerous articles containing images of insignia on Wikipedia (branch insignia, regimental insignia, distinctive unit insignia), the caption box identifies the insignia but need not point out that this item is worn on a dress uniform - to keep it "uniform" so to speak with all other articles on Wikipedia. --AzureCitizen (talk) 15:37, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • The Military Intelligence Corps is not a specific subset of Military Intelligence. The US Army Military Intelligence Corps is the branch of the United States Army, and while it interacts with the the Military Intelligence Divisons of other branchs, it is NOT considered part of them. The Miltiary Intelligence Corps is it's own entity within the US Army.
    • Though S-2 slots are organic to batallions or brigades, they are still tasked out from the MICO assigned to the Brigade from the Intelligence corps. This is the reason that all MI soldiers are required to wear the "Always out from" Insignia above their name-tag. They are technically "assigned" out from the Army Intelligence Corps.
    • I'm guessing that the articles might not be based on AR 670-1 Proper wear of a the Army Uniform, or the Ammendment by the Intelligence Corps which requires it to be worn to identify the memebers of the Military Intelligence Corps. Freeyourmind775 (talk) 22:24, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Okay, I know the previous comments are years old, but I have to straighten out a misconception here. MI Soldiers assigned to non-MI battalions are assigned to those units and belong to those units. It an intel analyst is assigned to an Infantry Battalion, they belong to that battalion lock, stock, and barrel. They are not detached from the brigade MICO and attached to the battalion--they are assigned directly to that battalion like an infantryman, quartermaster or signal Soldier would be and are a full member of the battalion. The fact that MI Soldiers wear the MI Regimental Distinctive Insignia is a product of the US Army Regimental System which implemented whole branch regimental identification requiring the support branches to regimentally affiliate with their whole branch regiment. It is essentially a paper drill that was supposed to increase esprit de corps for the support branches, and has nothing to do with MI Branch Soldiers being assigned out from the MI Corps.Kintrix (talk) 08:46, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

When I say the Military Intelligence Corps is a subset of Military Intelligence, I'm not referring to "Military Intelligence" as in all the service branches (Army, Air Force, Navy, Marines, etc). I'm referring only to the United States Army, and I'm stating that the Military Intelligence Corps (MIC) is part of Military Intelligence (MI). Put another way, MI (and I'm only talking about Army MI, not the other branches) incorporates a number of things, one of which is the MIC. To state it again in another fashion, the MIC does not incorporate all things that are Army MI, because the MIC is subset of MI. Granted, a very important and central subset - but not all things that are MI, are part of the MIC. Thus, the MIC falls under the umbrella of MI, not the other way around.

Surely we'd agree that all MI Soldiers wear the regimental crest of the MIC, but this does not mean that all MI Soldiers are "assigned from the intelligence corps." My Brigade's S-2 shop contains a number of MI Soldiers, and they are all assigned to slots in that section as an organic part of the unit, and not from a MICO or other organization. Sure, they wear the MIC crest on their Class-A's, but they are assigned directly to the Brigade's HHC; they are not assigned to an MI company with "attachment" or "duty" at the Brigade.

With regard to other articles in Wiki and AR 670-1, I think you may be misunderstanding what I was saying. Sure, AR 670-1 says to wear the regimental crest above the right side pocket of uniform, but there is no need to state "as worn on the dress uniforms" in the little caption box below insignia on Wikipedia; take a look at other articles, they keep the text tight, relevant, and try to avoid overstating the obvious. Hope that helps. --AzureCitizen (talk) 23:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just wanted to state that in the 344th MI BN of the 111th MI BDE that there are at least three companies (A,B & HQ) at Goodfellow AFB in San Angelo, TX. I did not want to mess with the formatting of the nice chart. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.152.192.94 (talk) 07:56, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Scrub Information for Subordinate Elements

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Just a quick line for anyone following this page. I'd like to scrub the general information for subordinate organizations, in particular those that don't have pages of their own. I noticed at least one unit in particular--650th MI Group--that has incorrect information regarding its organization. If I find any up-to-date sources that are generally available I'll make the changes and cite them as applicable if there are no issues from the gallery.Kintrix (talk) 11:47, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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