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@Aza24: I've never seen another article put the Internet Archive link in the {{sfn}} like that. Since they all link to the same encyclopedia entries, I put the link in the main citation. I combined the "books and articles" and "web" since the newspaper articles are articles, and it didn't make sense to have one (likely self-published) webpage all by itself under a header. On that note, it would make far more sense if the guy's last name was "De Brie" and not just "Brie". The internal links to her composition section are also strange--especially since there's only one listed.
At this point in the article's development, it seems a bit silly to even use {{sfn}}, given that it's not pulling from multiple pages in a source. Snowman304|talk09:13, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi there @Snowman304, thanks for your thoughtful remarks. A lot of my decisions on these matters are made plainly with the reader in mind. For instance, linking page numbers in {{sfn}} is not exactly widespread, but definitely not nonexistent: see the FAs Cai Lun, Joan of Arc and Communication (first one by myself, the other two by other editors). It is a rather direct case for increased verifiability. In any case, if I want to link to the article on the book, I can't link to the url, so this is a work around for that (not sure that "chapter/section" would really be appropriate here)
I see from your contributions that you're engaging in some most welcomed (and much needed) citation work throughout Wikipedia. I'd suggest pursuing some FAs to see different methods in citation styles; it might make your own work easier.
I understand your point about using sfn to begin with. My rationale is this: readers are accustomed to seeing a works cited section in books and most articles. Having a clear section where all the sources are listed together makes this much more familiar and approachable; having them spread around through the article, or sometimes inline and sometimes not seems confusing. In this case, you're quite right about the improper division of books vs web sources, so I've removed the distinguishers.
As for other matters, see here, the author seems to do "Brie, Tim De"; certainly not an ideal source, but suitable until better ones can be found; I've seen it cited in other, more reputable places before. I began this article only two days ago, so yes, I've not gone around to expanding the compositions section yet, but I assure you that in this case, throwing a tag in the section doesn't help with its expansion :) Aza24 (talk)20:26, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
