Talk:Milan Milutinović/Archive 1

Archive 1

Dates

I think the dates given in the infobox and in the text are not correct. Milutinovic was elected on 29 December 1997, but he was sworn in on 5 January 1998, so his term started on this day. That mean that his term ended on 5 January 2003. Vanjagenije (talk) 17:00, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Army

The problem is that in the ICTY indictment there is nothing at all of the Army, but a brief mention about a branch of the MUP special police, being put under military control in extreme circumstances (i.e. war). Milutinović had no control over the VJ indeed. I could not find any quote in the indictment text on he having de facto control at all! --Asterion 12:55, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for discussing it. This is a segment of the article:

ICTY also claims that Milutinović, as the President of Serbia, had de facto influence over the Parliament, the Army and the police (Ministry of Internal Affairs).

Compare it to ICTY indictment:

36. Milan MILUTINOVIĆ, as President of Serbia and a member of the Supreme Defence Council, is also, or alternatively, criminally responsible for the acts of his subordinates, pursuant to Article 7(3) of the Tribunal Statute, including, but not limited to, members of the VJ and the aforementioned personnel of other forces of the FRY and Serbia, for the crimes alleged in counts 1 to 5 of this indictment. In addition, Milan MILUTINOVIĆ, pursuant to his de facto authority, is criminally responsible for the acts of his subordinates, pursuant to Article 7(3) of the Tribunal Statute, including, but not limited to, members of the VJ and employees of the MUP, for the crimes alleged in counts 1 to 5 of this indictment. (emphasize mine)

So, if I am reading it correctly, the article is right here. It claims he had de facto authority over members of the Army (VJ), i.e. he had de facto influence over it. Also, him being a member of the Supreme Defence Council (Vrhovni savet odbrane), reaffirms that. --dcabrilo 19:38, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Also, just to source what you said:

35. Under the FRY Law on Defence, Milan MILUTINOVI], as a member of the Supreme Defence Council, also exercised command authority over republican police units subordinated to the VJ during a state of imminent threat of war or a state of war. (my emphasize again)

Compare that to section 36, where it states that he had authority over both members of the VJ and employees of the MUP. The ones mentioned in section 35. are employees of the MUP, and members of the VJ are people on the Army payroll. Cheers --dcabrilo 19:38, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Aha! I am sorry, I must have missed that. Are you sure you do not want to add "Legalese" to the list (in your user page) of languages you understand? :) --Asterion 23:09, 20 April 2006 (UTC)