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Her Ethnicity

Is she really of Ashkenazi Jewish and British Isles descent, as this website suggest: https://ethnicelebs.com/mikey-madison/ 2A0D:6FC0:1957:AE00:5579:5757:A289:6F96 (talk) 19:34, 5 March 2022 (UTC) Then why does she look like a little bit Mongoloid, like one of her great grandprents is from the from Far East?[reply]

i thought she was half-asian upon first seeing her. after her star turn in anora, i got to wondering whether she is maybe indeed part russian. anyone know? 2601:18A:807C:1C40:845:444E:CF6:EBA6 (talk) 21:05, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The page is protected but "Hollywood Raising-Star Award" should be changed to "Hollywood Rising-Star Award"

title 2A01:CB04:42F:8000:CA0:B2D9:1FFD:5D5D (talk) 13:18, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Birth date

@Betamax45: Please let us not edit war. There was a miscommunication on my part. Entertainment database websites like Fandango are not reliable for birthdates, "contested" or not. In the absence of a high-quality reliable source, there is no rush to include a birth date in the article. I added the WaPo source because it at least offers an age as of a given date, and the WaPo is a highly-reliable source as has been determined time and time again through community consensus (WP:WAPO). Fandango's database reads no different than AllMovie, which editors have repeatedly questioned the accuracy of for biographical details. This is confirmed by the community consensus for Rotten Tomatoes (WP:ROTTENTOMATOES), which states: "

There is consensus that Rotten Tomatoes should not be used for biographical information, cast and crew data, or other film and television data, as it is sourced from user-generated and user-provided content with a lack of oversight and verification.

You were actually already warned of this by WaxWorker, and then curiously decided to add the information back with a citation to Fandango's website instead. The information and bio at Rotten Tomatoes is identical to that which is published on Fandango (which is the parent company of Rotten Tomatoes). I understand when such high-quality sources do not exist editors can feel the urge to settle for single, trivial sources that confirm what the believe is likely to be true, but that is not a strong rationale with regards to WP:BLP articles. Οἶδα (talk) 04:15, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Οἶδα I relied on the Washington Post article, as it was the link besides the birth date. I also haven't seen a single source online saying that she was born on 1998, or there has not been anything stating any other birth date besides March 25, 1999. Fandango might be the majority owner of Rotten Tomatoes, but it is still two separate entities, and only RT has a community consensus of being unreliable. All other websites also point to March 25, and no other dates are being presented out there claiming to be the real birth date of Mikey.

As it stands, she is 25 years old. I do agree that we both avoid edit warring. I suggest we let others provide alternative sources and the two of us stop editing the birth date. Betamax45 (talk) 10:05, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Washington Post includes her age only, which gives us an age as of the date the article was published. That is what it was originally cited for. I understand that may appear disappointing but the Washington Post is the most reliable source to have published information related to her age.

I'm not sure what "I also haven't seen a single source online saying that she was born on 1998, or there has not been anything stating any other birth date besides March 25, 1999. means. The internet is full of information about celebrities from sources that we cannot cite on Wikipedia because they are not WP:RS. So that is not a valid point. If you would like to provide these online sources that you are talking about then do so. But obviously you probably should not because they are either user-generated sources like IMDb or other unreliable sources that just repeat the same information across the web over and over. They have little to no editorial oversight. Sorry, but that is not a high enough bar for Wikipedia. Especially when you are including a very specific claim about the details of a person's life. If a reliable source existed which clearly stated her birthdate then I would have found it by now, Betamax45. You seem to think I am disputing that she was born in 1999. I am merely stating you are not providing a reliable source for us to definitively state that in the article.

Fandango and Rotten Tomatoes are not two separate identities when it comes to this matter. The information is identical. And the point doesn't frankly matter, as there is no indication that Fandango's identical database (every single biography and birthday/birthplace is an identical copy of that on Rotten Tomatoes) is independently reliable. That is already enough to call this birthdate inclusion into question. Then I must consider that you are saying that relying solely on this dodgy Fandango database page is enough to make an explicit birthdate claim in this article. It is not.

You have changed of the content article, and now you are being asked to make a defense for that change. The article should actually changed back to its original state before a consensus is reached on whether change it at all. So it would be courteous of you to self-revert. Either that or I would remove the date altogether because it is inappropriate to continue to include it in the article. Οἶδα (talk) 23:32, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/policies/terms-of-use

When we say “our”, “us”, “we” or “Fandango” in these Terms of Use (these “Terms”), we mean Fandango Media, LLC or its subsidiaries. These Terms apply to websites and applications operating under the Fandango, Fandango at Home, Vudu, M-GO, Rotten Tomatoes, Flixster, Movieclips, Movies.com, Activaterewards.com or MovieTickets.com brands or other brands that we own, as well as to our websites, applications, emails or other communications that link to or reference any terms or policies that are a part of the Fandango Terms and Policies (the Terms and Policies), or the other services provided through any of these means (all of the foregoing collectively, the Services or Site).

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Οἶδα (talk) 04:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]