Talk:Mid-season replacement

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List of shows that started as midseason replacements was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 13 January 2012 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Mid-season replacement. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

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Married with Children, the first show of the Fox network's first ever prime time lineup, replaced what exactly? Tcsetattr 22:37, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

"Most midseason replacements get canceled like the shows they replaced, while others get a second season or, may last for a long time." Doesn't every single TV show fall into this category? -- Soren.harward 03:58, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Midseason replacements are usually replacements (fill-ins for the rest of the season) of a TV show that was canceled before a full scheduled season was aired due to poor ratings, controversies, etc. (Summer replacement TV shows tended to be replacements of the summer re-runs of TV shows.)

Most new TV shows start on a full fall season in the time slot of a show that played out its full last season without premature cancelation. --Naaman Brown (talk) 17:29, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Midseason Replacement category

Should there be a category about midseason replacement TV series?Jim856796 11:27, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Drive?

How exactly does the show 'Drive' count as a notable midseason replacement? It ran four episodes before being cancelled, so unless it's notable for being so short, I think it should be removed. 67.149.28.67 17:04, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Drive is certainly notable. It comes up in "brilliant but cancelled" lists all the time. 51.6.82.99 (talk) 19:45, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Table Organization

I put the existing list into a table format, so original air dates and replaced series can be included. Didn't have the time to find all the air dates, and I'm already seeing that the names of the replaced series will be harder to identify. --otherlleft (talk) 14:06, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have finished adding the remaining air dates and updated some of the replaced series info. I too am having difficulty with the 'Replaced Series' category, while information for series in the 2000's is easy to find, Mid-Season schedules for older series are much harder to come by. (Richardm9 (talk) 20:54, 31 March 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Midseason replacements

"In American and Canadian television, a midseason replacement is a television series that premieres in the second half of the traditional television season, usually between January and May. Midseason replacements usually take place after a show that was in the fall schedule was canceled or put on hiatus, or a program had a shortened season for some other reason which resulted in a time slot that needed filling."

This wording makes it seem like every midseason show was a replacement for shows that failed. This isnt entirely true as shows on cable run for short seasons, 13 episodes. It also seems that these days that the big four like to have two or three shows a season during the same time slots rather then run traditional re-runs. This is even more noticable during the summer months. Fox tested this practice with Roar that starred Heath Ledger, back in the 90's. 67.172.179.96 (talk) 04:33, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Notable shows"?

Right now the list does not seem to really only include notable shows. Maybe someone should look over it. Just one example I stumbled upon: "The Deep End". The show received negative reviews, had low ratings and was not canceled after its first 6-episode season. I honestly doubt that qualifies als "notable", even in the context of midseason replacements. Does anyone agree/disagree with taking that one out (and potentially others)? --78.54.123.176 (talk) 16:58, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

US-focused and no attempt to explain itself to an international audience

This article needs to work harder to explain its concepts. Outside of North America TV channels don't cancel TV programmes "mid-season" - why would they cancel something when they haven't finished showing the series? We also don't really have seasons and shows are just shown whenever the TV channel wants to (with the exception of US series when broadcast shortly after their US broadcasts). Terms like put on hiatus need explaining also as I have no idea what that means.--ЗAНИA ^talk ^{WB talk}] 13:58, 13 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Replacements: "mid-season" vs. "summer-season"

I just summarized an edit with

I recast as a 2-sent parenthetic 'graph some peripheral content, which deserves consideration as a stub & potential free-standing article

which perhaps is clearer in this real-prose version:

I rewrote some peripheral content as a paragraph with 2 sentences, and enclosed it in parentheses. The content deserves consideration as a stub, which may have the potential of growing into a free-standing article.

--Jerzy•t 09:16, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Twin Peaks replaced Young Riders?

Young Riders ran for longer (and after) Twin Peaks. How was it a "mid-season" replacement? 51.6.82.99 (talk) 19:46, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Here is an explanation for what is going on here: Using the book "The Complete Directory to Prime Time Network and Cable TV Shows (8th Edition), I was able to determine the time schedules for "Twin peaks" and "The Young Riders" for the year 1990 and I discovered why the article lists the already running TYR as mid-season replacement for TP despite debuting in 1989 and running till 1991 and replacing a show that went on to second season in Aug 1990. In 1990, The Young Riders was on ABC on Thursdays from 9-10pm up till April of that year. In May of 1990, The Young Riders was moved to a Monday time slot for a few months. It was replaced in it's former Thursday time slot with Twin Peaks, which aired 7 of it's 8 first short season episodes the former TYR time slot (Thurs, 9-10pm, TP's Pilot debuted on a Sunday). In a way TP served as mid-season replacement for two months of TYR. When TP returned in the Aug, 1990 for it's second and final full ABC season of 22 episodes (It was revived for third limited season on Showtime in 2017) debuted on 10-11pm on Saturdays in Aug 1990 to Feb 1991. It then moved back to Thurs 9-10pm on March to April 1991. The last two episodes of of it's second and final ABC season were run off in June 1991. The Young Riders was returned to it's former Thursday 9-10pm time slot in May to Sept 1990 (before moving to other various time slots for it's last season in '90/'91) and TP replacing it on Thursdays again. So while it did not replace Twin Peaks permanently in the sense of one show being canceled mid-season and another new debuting as a replacement shortly or immediately after, it did do a "time-slot replacement" so to speak for part of TP's season 2 (though it also replaced TYR twice Thursdays (during several times when TYR ran in that time slot). Thus it seems that the way they are using the term "mid-season replacement" in the article is basically any show that replaces another in a time-slot even if the replaced show simply is moved or revived after a hiatus to/in another time slot/day and even if the replacement show is an already running show simply moving from a different time slot/day. The fact the mid-season replacement show was already on the air before or that show being replaced continues to run on a different time slot/day sometimes after a hiatus does not change the mid-season replacement status of the "replacing" show. One other thing to remember is that sometimes a show is canceled mid-season then a show is put it's place as a new mid-season replacement, then the previous show is un-canceled and revived in a difference time slot/day some times after (as happened with Family Guy on Fox), which also does not change the MSR status of the replacing show, even if the MSR show is only very limited series or quickly canceled, itself. I know this is a little complicated to understand but hopeful I've explain it well enough to understand why the TYR is listed as a MSR for TP. --Notcharliechaplin (talk) 23:22, 26 February 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Re move to midseason replacement

@Heartfox: I've reverted as pages that can't be ordinarily moved need to have their move requested - see WP:RM - rather than being cut and pasted across. That said, I've had a look at GNews for the last year, and there's ~130 uses of mid-season to ~100 uses of midseason showing (not scientific, deeply flawed measure, not a proper corpus, etc etc etc). ^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~ 09:27, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Hydronium Hydroxide: I'm not sure what the problem is. I mean yeah I copied and pasted the content but I followed all of the procedures listed in WP:COPYWITHIN and listed that in the edit summaries. Looking at WP:RM, it says not to request it if you can do it yourself. Well, I did do it myself and I added {{R with history}} to the pages I redirected. I don't know why a request is necessary. It's not like mid-season replacement would be deleted afterwards. I moved the pages as it seemed weird given when I searched "mid-season replacement" on Google the first results say "midseason" while Wikipedia is the only one to use the dash. If your real reason for reverting the move was to oppose it on the fact one is more popular, I get it, but then we should have that discussion and not say it's because of copy and paste issues like in your edit summary. I did not copyvio anything. Based on what I'm seeing from popular trade magazines/websites on Google, most use midseason, not mid-season. Even Wikitionary uses midseason over mid-season. You also removed a fix I made to the table and a refimprove tag that should be added back. Heartfox (talk) 15:14, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Heartfox. Changes of redirects to articles get flagged in the WP:NPP queue. I'm mildly but not significantly opposed (ie: my preference is at a level at which if the move had been done correctly I'd shrug, perhaps comment, but move on). For moves, what the RM text means is that (where not controversial) if you can do the move over the redirect yourself, or if you're a pagemover with the ability to do round robin moves via user or draft space you should. This is not just standard WP:CWW where yes, if you're going to merge or copy text from one article to another it needs to be attributed as you have done. This is a cut-and-paste move (I didn't template you, but Template:Uw-c&pmove is what would be used). In cases where the page has subsequent significant edits, it must be repaired using WP:HISTMERGE. For cases that can be immediately reverted for RM (apologies for not transferring the edit back), I'd be doing so regardless of my views on the move (eg, see [1]). I use reversion for RM rather than histmerge where possible because RM is handled by pagemovers as well as admins and are simpler, while histmerges take more work, can go wrong, few admins do them and one of the more active of those has ceased recently. ^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~ 04:13, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]