Talk:Michael Nazir-Ali

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wtf @ quote!

How does this make sense...

"Bishop Nazir-Ali is generally in the evangelical wing of the Anglican Church, describing himself as "evangelical and catholic." "

Surely is should be "evangelical and anglican" also where's the citation for this? Marmaladebadger (talk) 13:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Er...no. It makes perfect sense. the Anglican Church is usually perceived as having two wings, the Evangelical wing which sees itself as the heir of the Reformation, and the Catholic wing who regard the Reformation as an unfortunate political accident and largely irrelevant. Bishop Nazir-Ali feels that he can identify with both.

I stand corrected. Perhaps this should be made clearer on the page? Marmaladebadger (talk) 15:09, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

3 categories added

I've added 3 categories Pakistani christians, Asian Christians, and British Asians--Kathanar 17:25, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Identifying as Christian at the age of 15?

Is there a citation for this? I ask, because it is highly unlikely that in Pakistan someone born in into a Christian family would only identify themselves as Christian so late. It is a culture where everyone is very aware of their religious identity. I think, that without a citation from Bishop Nazir-Ali's own writings, this statement should be dropped.

Fiddleback 22:40, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What you say sounds likely to me. Is it possible that by "identifying as a Christian at age 15" this fact is merely chronicling the first recorded instance of Nazir-Ali openly identifying himself as a Christian, regardless of when he was actually baptised/confirmed or some other private landmark? --Saforrest 06:18, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: His Lordship's "identifying as Christian" at age 15, so say the various biographical items on the Anglican Communion and the Diocese of Rochester websites, together with background information in various books and articles he has written. His mother, I believe, remained Muslim. In any case, it is not at all contentious; the issue arose when he was shortlisted for Archbishop of Canterbury and various naysayers in the Church of England were trying to make a thing of his having at one stage dallied with Roman Catholicism before he settled on the Church of Pakistan as his denomination of choice. Yes of course Pakistanis are very denominational: it IS, after all, strictly speaking a capital offence for a Muslim to apostise. But things would have been somewhat more easygoing as to Sharia in the 1950s and Nazir-Ali senior would have chosen to become Christian before 1947.Masalai 07:56, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ethnicity?

just curious but what ethnic group of pakistan is his ancestry? is his punjabi? is he mohajir?

He is Punjabi but that is a matter of personal knowledge among members of the congregation of Karachi Cathedral. There do not appear to be any published materials that state this. Masalai 11:43, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Canadian-originated concept of multiculturalism,?

Under Opinions it says "Canadian-originated concept of multiculturalism,"

I don't think multiculturalism is actually a 'canada-originated concept'. Maybe Nazir-Ali is claiming it to be so, or is stating that the type of multiculturalism practiced in the UK is Canadian in origin? Either way that should be made clear. 86.27.191.157 (talk)Posted on 6:16 PM, UK (GMT) Time, January 5, 2008.

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Candidate for Archbishop - source.

Although the comment "He was one of the final two candidates for Archbishop of Canterbury, though the more progressive Anglo Catholic Rowan Williams was appointed" reflects a widely held view, is there any reliable source for this? The people involved in the nomination are sworn to secrecy about which two names were passed to the prime minister. 217.205.242.138 (talk) 02:07, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Any threats for his apostasy from Islam? Pass a Method talk 18:54, 10 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Arabic

Can he speak it?--Aa2-2004 (talk) 18:30, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Given that both of Michael's parents had/have Christian surnames it seems unlikely that either of them were Muslims. It is possible that his father converted to Christianity and changed his first name to a christian one but to suggest his mother remained a Muslim holds no water as her name Patience is definately Christian. Secondly a Muslim woman cannot remain married to someone who changes faith - even an orthodox Muslim woman seeks religious opinion, usually without it, to annul her nikkah (Islamic marriage)if the husband embraces Ahmadism, known as Mirzais or Quadianis. Ahmadis claim themselves to be a sect of Islam but majority of Muslims, and Pakistani constitution, declare them non-Muslim. I have always thought that Michael's origin is in the Punjabi minority Christian community whose past is in the untouchable Hindu castes. This community converted under the British Raj patronage in order to escape untouchability and discrimination by the Hindu establishment/upper caste Hindus. Certainly his physionomy betrays such a possibility. Of course I may be wrong but further investigation is deemed necessary in light of the allegations of accuracy of the former's bishop's credentials re: postgraduate education and other details. 90.209.57.193 (talk) 20:21, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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current status?

The Episcopal Diocese of South Carolina is not part of the Episcopal Church. I imagine TEC has something to say about him being a visiting bishop. Is he still in good standing with the Church of England? --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 10:58, 13 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Conversion to Roman Catholicism

A prominent Anglican bishop choosing to switch to Roman Catholicism and effectively start again at the bottom, bring ordained deacon and then priest, is a BIG deal. This article mentions it as a minor career detail, with absolutely no explanation. Explanation is needed… — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.5.75.6 (talk) 17:07, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]