Talk:Michael Hahn

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Jewish mother?

The Jewish Virtual Library makes no such claim at all (since it only repeats a bio from another source in the first place!). Stone only says "virtually nothing is known" about his parents. Makes it very hard to assert "Jewish" in Wikipedia's voice at all, folks. Collect (talk) 21:03, 12 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lieberson?

The new source added for Hahn being Jewish specifically states the list (4.3) is based on books by Fuchs and Learsi, and "from other sources" which are not named. I doubt this meets the requirements of WP:RS at all as a result (using unknown sources != great value to readers). Fuchs makes en passant comments about Hahn, but is a weak source for asserting Hahn was specifically Jewish. Learsi makes no mention of Hahn at all AFAICT. So we are left with crediting unknown actual sources - which I think is worse than not making the claim at all. Collect (talk) 16:23, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Religion

Source presently provided does not state that the subject is Roman Catholic, it says the subject is Christian. Sure the subject attended a Catholic university but that does not make the subject Catholic.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 19:03, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

On your UT page I gave you a source for an Episcopal priest officiating at his funeral per NYT. Collect (talk) 19:06, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

So why is the page being repeatedly reverted to say he was Catholic? As has been previously noted at WP:RS/N, the Louisiana Secretary of State website says he was Episcopalian.[1] Stone's book says "born to Jewish parents" and "practicing Christian", not "Catholic". --Arxiloxos (talk) 19:26, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The page provided on my talk page, is a reprint from the NYT. As I stated on my talk page, it'd be best if we can get a direct source from the NYT archive, rather than a reprint (which is questionable).

I have invited other interested editors as well as to centralize discussion. The source "Stone, Kurt F. "The Jews of Capitol Hill: A Compendium of Jewish Congressional Members" says that the subject was christian without specifically stating a denomination.

There are some sources that claim that the subject was Jewish (either by blood or by faith). These need to be taken into consideration as well.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 21:01, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I saw that NYT excerpt [2]; assuming it's accurate, it's evidence for him being buried as an Episcopalian (or perhaps some other version of Protestant), not Catholic, as the article currently reads. In my opinion, the article should (1) mention that a variety of sources identify him as a "Jewish governor", and (2) note the sources that indicate he lived and died as a Christian. --Arxiloxos (talk) 21:45, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Alas - no sources at all posit that he was "Jewish" as governor, and the source most used states specifically we know nothing about his parentage. Wikipedia does not accept that "having a Jewish name" makes a person "Jewish" and no reliable source presents any factual basis for asserting such. Cheers. Collect (talk) 22:31, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Leaving aside the Jewish issue for the moment: Collect, why are you continuing to restore the statement and categorization that he was Catholic [3] when it has been pointed out repeatedly that the sources don't support it? --Arxiloxos (talk) 23:22, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

In case you missed it, I found a source for his funeral being presided over by an Episcopalian. This would call into doubt the prior source calling him "Catholic" which has already been discussed, but since both appear to meet WP:RS we likely should not make a solid assertion of religion. Cheers. Collect (talk) 13:13, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed it. --Arxiloxos (talk) 15:45, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the Jewish Virtual Library, Hahn is listed here [4] under "Jewish Members of U.S. Congress:". However when you click on his bio, his religion is not mentioned. TL565 (talk) 02:08, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There was a discussion on WP:RSN that brought me to this article, specifically about JVL. I don't believe that there has been a consensus yet as to whether the source meets WP:IRS, and what the subject's faith was. We have different contradicting reliable sources. IMHO, the best thing to do is state in a neutral tone what all sources say, or entirely leave out the subject's faith altogether.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 03:24, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The JVL uses a bio from another source verbatim - which makes no claim of "Jewish." Sources which are compilations of what would be correctly called "copyvios" on Wikipedia are not "reliable sources" for any claims on Wikipedia. Collect (talk) 13:13, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The obituary and funeral notices from The New York Times, discussed above, turn out to be available from Newspapers.com (and the clipped articles are available to all per the open access program described at WP:Newspapers.com, so I've added them as links. --Arxiloxos (talk) 22:31, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The differences in sources suggest that Hahn's family may have been ethnically Jewish, and that in New Orleans he became an Episcopalian, probably as an adult. Being claimed as "Jewish" is more than what religion someone practices; it deals with his family ancestry. I agree with going with the Secretary of State's office, which identifies him as Episcopalian in terms of what he practiced, as he was buried by an Episcopalian minister, according to the NY Times. Parkwells (talk) 14:13, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Michael Hahn

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Michael Hahn's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "nyt":

From Jimmie Davis: Phil Sweetland (March 22, 2004). "Anna Carter Gordon Davis, 87, Alto in Famed Gospel Ensemble". The New York Times. Retrieved November 23, 2015. {{cite web}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)
From Murphy J. Foster: DAVID FIRESTONE, "Identity Restored to 100,000 Louisiana Slaves", New York Times, 30 July 2000
From Bobby Jindal: "Bobby Jindal gives his take on gay marriage in New York Times editorial". The New York Times. Retrieved April 23, 2015.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 14:55, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]