Talk:Metropolitan State University/Archive 1

Archive 1

Revising out POV

I have taken the recent opportunity to try to reduce the number of POV and biased statements in the Metro State wikipedia page. I added a readable history section and updated enrollment statistics. My changes were based on actual published references and sources not POV.

User:Redseeker69 has reverted a number of these changes. In an attempt to avoid an edit war, I am making this topic in the talk page to discuss several claims that were previously on the wikipedia page.

• For example, in 1998 the Minnesota State Legislature incorporated Metropolitan State University into the newly chartered Minnesota State Colleges and Universities system. This does NOT imply the institution didn't exist prior to this. It implies that by law the Legislature forcefully moved it into the newly created larger organization from the existing Minnesota State University system that was the prior system that existed from the 1960s until 1998.

• The number of veterans by full year equivalent for the latest published figures was highest at Saint Cloud State University from Fiscal Years 2008-2009. Please cite the source for the current or last year which prove the statement that "Metro has the highest number of veterans amongst MnSCU institutions".

• The moniker MSU is more often used to refer to Minnesota State University, Mankato in Minnesota, however it is not often used in reference to Metro State. In fact, the commonly used nickname is Metro State (eg amongst everyone, not just people who have attended Metro State University).

• The claim about the number of students in relation to institution size is not WP:notable and WP:Undue. It's completely irrelevant that the headcount puts it in xyz percentage of xyz universities. By comparison Metro State has always been the 3rd or 4th smallest MnSCU university and is dwarfed when compared to the University of Minnesota.

• The statement about highest rates of passing in professional licensure exams, in general, is incorrect. By and large Metro State University has historically had lower pass rates on all professional licensure exams than others within MnSCU. For example, let's review the Nursing RN pass rates for the NCLEX :http://mn.gov/health-licensing-boards/images/Number_and_Firsttime_Success_Rate_of_NCLEXRN_Candidates_Educated_i_021009.pdf. Before it had converted to the Master of Nursing program it had pass rates in the high 70s-low 80's ranking it tied for dead last within MnSCU. According to the MnSCU Accountability Dashboard reference Metro's pass rate for Teaching for 2013, was 62.1% and the system-wide average for MnSCU universities was 77.9% placing it as one of the last within MnSCU. Source: http://accountability.mnscu.edu/raframework/ihtml/OpenDoc?DocInstanceID=2&DocUUID=00000147930f273f-0000-a7aa-ac11fec2&DocVersion=1&isSmartcut=true

So and so on. As per the existing WP:Five pillars this article needed cleaning up. Randomeditor1000 (talk) 23:34, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello, I have looked through the edits by Redseeker69 and reverted to the last edit by Randomeditor1000 based on the talk page here and based on the fact that Redseeker69 didn't add any sources to the article they just keep reverting. For one thing, MnSCU has only existed since 1998; it's not over 20 years old yet. I think that Redseeker69's claims are a bit POV and should be edited per Randomeditor1000's post. Wikipedia isn't a brochure or advertising space. References or sources are neededBlanksamurai (talk) 19:22, 6 July 2015(UTC)

I just looked through the MnSCU Accountability Report at http://www.mnscu.edu/board/accountability/. The average change in enrollment for 2010-2014 was a 3% increase with a decrease in 2014 of 1%, so the claim that enrollment is increasing (in general) is incorrect. I'm going to verify some of the other items listed above.Blanksamurai (talk) 18:21, 7 July 2015 (UTC)