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Disputed

No credible sources can be found to verify the existence of this aircraft.

It appears that the text for this entry was taken almost literally from this page without any citation. Luft '46 is a site that covers "designs that didn't leave the drawing board, sometimes known as 'paper projects'"^[1]. The overview of the aircraft on that site also has no citations so its veracity is uncertain. The technical history listed on that page is stated to be a complete fabrication and is attributed to its contributor^[2]. Luft '46 does have a Prototypes page that includes "aircraft that were built in very small numbers, but did not enter series production"^[1]. However, the Me 109-TL is not included on that page.

Yes there are no credible sources cited in the Luft 46 website, but remember that the website is geared to what MIGHT have been had the war continued,based on factual evidence of what actually did take place. So yses a large proportion of the Me 109TL page is fiction, but it should be based on fact. What is required is evidence that the Me 109TL was indeed studied and rejected, NOT that one was built or flew!!!!!!!!!!Petebutt (talk) 11:42, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

While it is possible that this aircraft was proposed, there is no factual evidence to support that proposition. If evidence is discovered that this aircraft was even suggested, then this entry should be edited to reflect that fact. However, until such time as evidence is presented, this entry must be considered a work of fiction. Z0r7 (talk) 20:50, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Luft 46 claims this plane severely hampered allied landings and advances in Normandy on D-Day and was produced by the Czechs after the war and smuggled to the nascent Israeli airforce to be used against the Arab armies in 1948!!! This all sounds highly dubious to me. If my memory serves me correct, the Czechs did use Me262s in limited numbers after the war, but considering the wartime German jet engines had a design life of around 10 hours(!) what use such aircraft would have been to them or the Israelis is a mystery to me, as the only other contemporary jets were the barrel shaped British centrifugal flow engines, which no doubt would not have been practicable to fit underneath this allged aircraft. Also the Israelis would have had neither the training, experience or resources to operate Me109TLs - and why would they bother when there were thousands of reliable and proven surplus planes from both east and west available, despite arms embargoes. I would vote for deletion of this page.1812ahill (talk) 20:00, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

READ THE PAGE! Only the first paragraph is NON-FICTION. The author clearly states that anything after September 1943 in the rest of the page is entirely FICTIONAL. There is a better description without the FICTIONAL confusion at Luftwaffe Secret Projects from Midland Publishing.--Petebutt (talk) 06:26, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Notes

^ ^a ^b "Luft '46 Scope and Purpose". Retrieved 6 April 2011.
^ "Me 109 TL". Retrieved 6 April 2011.

Z0r7 (talk) 02:40, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Me/Bf 109

Shouldn't the name be changed to Bf109TL? Hardtofindausernam 7:36 15 June 2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hardtofindausername (talk • contribs) 12:36, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done! Xufanc (talk) 02:23, 21 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

[LuftScope-1] "Luft '46 Scope and Purpose". Retrieved 6 April 2011.

[2] "Me 109 TL". Retrieved 6 April 2011.

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