Talk:Mesocarnivore

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Should homo sapiens be listed as a mesocarnivore? If not, why not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1C0:6A00:B4D0:C833:47EE:6393:2F4C (talk) 02:13, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like both this article and the hypocarnivore article list as examples only mammals from the order Carnivora. --GCarty (talk) 17:56, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Incoherent garbage article.

A mesocarnivore is normally defined as a carnivore that has a diet consisting of between 50% and 70% vertebrate animals. If its diet consists of less vertebrate content than that it is by definition a hypocarnivore and if the content is higher it is a hypercarnivore. Hypo-meso-hyper... Not that difficult to understand, which is why it's the customary definition used by scientists and most other sane humans worldwide.

Some people (Americans?) apparently use an entirely different definition of what a mesocarnivore is. They apparently feel that it has some sort of relation to the concept of an apex predator and means something along the lines of a medium sized predator or carnivore, therefore being detached from dietary preferences.

Mindlessly mixing sources and information based on these radically different definitions of the word everywhere in the article, which is what Wikipedia editors have been doing, creates an incoherent mess of nonsense.

As it stands, the article is worse than useless and creates confusion: Is a lynx or a bobcat a mesocarnivore? The article answers no, yes, and maybe all at once! 2.107.248.41 (talk) 19:47, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It looks as if there is confusion between, "mesocarnivore" referring to the feeding behaviour, and "mesopredator," referring approximately to the position in the food chain, probably as a result of genuine confusion in the sources not using the technical terms in the same ways. (I'm applying the terms in the way the current titles and first lines of the articles on wikipedia do: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Mesocarnivore; https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Mesopredator)

In the first instance I have moved the text from the introduction that was using the "mesopredator" definition to the mesopredator article, and added anti-confusion statements (if the format isn't right, I would be very grateful to anyone who cared to tidy it up).

It needs further work. Unfortunately I cannot view what is currently reference "2," (Gary W. Roemer, Matthew E. Gompper, Blaire Van Valkenburgh, "The Ecological Role of the Mammalian Mesocarnivore") but as it is frequently cited in the text I have moved I suspect all other text referenced to it should also be moved. Indeed, I would suggest checking all the references for their definition and moving text to the relevant place! FloweringOctopus (talk) 15:31, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Divergence of figures and definitions

Hello! Just to point out that this page and the more general "carnivore" page give conflicting information. First, here, non-vertebrates are explicitely excluded from the definition of meat, where they seem to be implicitely included in the "carnivore" article's definition. Second, the "carnivore" article states that a mesocarnivore diet is composed of 30 to 70% meat, while this article indicates a 50 to 70% ratio. If we assume that non-vertebrates are included in the first article's definition of meat, the gap widens. I don't have the expertise i feel would be needed to make accurate corrections, or to add with confidence that the specifics of the subject are still currently debated, but hopefully another wikipedia-ite does! Porkbellied (talk) 23:49, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]