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Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 08:25, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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5x expanded by Pamzeis (talk). Self-nominated at 06:41, 2 May 2022 (UTC).[reply]

  • NINE-NINE! I'll take this review some time tonight. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 02:19, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • p.s. i haven't seen Elena of Avalor—what's the joke? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 17:35, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Pamzeis: New enough, long enough, neutral, plagiarism-free. Sourcing question: Fumero described the experience as a "rollercoaster". is the quote due for inclusion if the only source is Adweek? For copyediting purposes, there are too many dashes in the sentence that begins Reception towards Fumero's performance was positive; Collider lauded her comedic timing, drive, and vulnerability. ALT0 and ALT3 are approved as cited and interesting, and I've suggested an ALT4 and ALT5. ALT2 doesn't seem interesting enough. A QPQ has been done- so almost there! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 18:28, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, it's really the differences between the two shows that's meant to make ALT2 interesting but it really isn't great. ALT4 is kinda dull to me as it doesn't go into why they thought they were gonna get fired; ALT5 is OK, except she doesn't say that it was a B99 director, as far as I know. I've fixed the dash issue, but IDK about the rollercoaster one. Due and undue weight is more of a GA standard, IMO, so I won't touch it. I really only added that bit in there to provide some sort of connection to Fumero in regards to these events.​ Pamzeis (talk) 01:32, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Pamzeis: reading through the source for ALT5, it's not explicit, but I think it's a fair inference given how long she'd been on the show by then. And i'd push back on the idea that WP:DUE isn't a part of the DYK criteria, it's folded under NPOV. I see where you're coming from, though. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 01:39, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Can you further explain why you think it's undue? This article is about Fumero so, at least to me, it's obvious that Fumero's opinion would be important. Reading its article, Adweek seems to be an RS, despite its previous reputation as a gossip site (forgive and forget?). Pamzeis (talk) 05:16, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Re-ping: theleekycauldron. Pamzeis (talk) 05:17, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    It's not the end of the world, I suppose. reviewer needed for ALT5, but we are good to go with ALT0 and ALT3 :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 06:51, 15 May 2022 (UTC) just one more time, NINE-NINE![reply]

Arbitrary header

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@LOLman123: Hi, would you mind discussing your changes here? Firstly, while Fumero's Twitter supports a North Bergen birthplace, more secondary/tertiary sources support her birthplace being Lyndhurst (e.g. Rotten Tomatoes, TV Guide, TV Insider, etc.). Since the secondary/tertiary sources contradict the primary source (Fumero's Twitter), it seems to fail WP:ABOUTSELF #4 (there is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity). The best known for her role as Amy Santiago in Brooklyn Nine-Nine is unsourced and at its core, at least to me, is an opinion. For the headers, MOS:HEAD recommends following the guidelines for article titles, and WP:AT states a title (or header, in this case) should tell the reader what the article (or section) is about. While I agree that it does not fit within the subheading, When she began working in the entertainment business, Gallo felt ostracized. She was only able to audition for roles as the "hood girl, maid, or some overly sexualized woman in a nude scene" is still relevant to Fumero's career. Would you have any objection to renaming the section "2004–2012: early work" or similar? Thanks. Pamzeis (talk) 06:13, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would not have any objection to you having the birthplace as Lyndhurst, I would offer keeping the subheading name as it is but leaving the quote out as to not deviate any further. Would that be a fair compromise? Thank you LOLman123 (talk) 06:49, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
OK,  Done for the birthplace. I've removed the "best known for" claim for the time being due to lack of sourcing. I'm not sure what you mean by as to not deviate any further, as I see no substantive reason why the quote can't be included or the subheading should not be changed. Do you have anything against the inclusion of the quote itself? It's WP:DUE weight in my opinion, and we don’t have anything much regarding her career before OLTL. Pamzeis (talk) 09:56, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
LOLman123? Pamzeis (talk) 03:14, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The subheading you have created is perfectly fine and fits the paragraph well. Adding the quote would be too much detail and deviate from what you have already provided. I'm happy to make this compromise with the changes you have already made to the "best known for" and birthplace. LOLman123 (talk) 04:13, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm afraid I'm still having trouble understanding your reasoning. Could you elaborate? Also, Emma Stone, a featured article, (yes, I know, essentially a WP:OSE argument—but it's an example) includes similar information, albeit in the "early life" section. Would you be OK with putting the quote in the early life section?​ Pamzeis (talk) 04:27, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I would be okay with you adding "When she began working in the entertainment business, Gallo felt ostracized. She was only able to find roles that were unsuitable for her" at the beginning of the paragraph under the OLTL subheader while leaving the quote out as not to stray into too much detail. LOLman123 (talk) 14:40, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The issue with that wording is that Fumero doesn't explicitly say the roles were unsuitable, making it original research. Can you give further explanation why it's too much detail?​ Pamzeis (talk) 13:23, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As with the detail I do feel like it falls into Wikipedia:Too much detail. And yes, I'd be perfectly fine with you using different wording, I just used that as an example. LOLman123 (talk) 05:02, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I've added the following: When she began working in the entertainment business, Gallo felt ostracized. She was only able to audition for certain roles. Any opinions? Pamzeis (talk) 14:30, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that seems to be completely fine. Thank you for your work. LOLman123 (talk) 03:24, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 21:01, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]


I'll review this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 21:01, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Images are appropriately tagged. Twitter is generally unreliable but here it's used for uncontroversial self-reported facts. The YouTube source is a professional channel. Other sources are reliable.

  • If she moved to NYC at nineteen, then presumably she didn't live at home in order to be able to afford school -- seems to be a contradiction in the early life section.
    • minus Removed
      I'm not sure that resolves it -- we have a source (that is now removed) that contradicts something in the article. How about changing the "Early life" section to say "To ensure she could attend her parents emptied their savings, took out many loans, and had Gallo live at home initially, although when we she was nineteen she moved to New York city."? I removed the "however" since we don't want "however" and "although" in a single sentence. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 14:35, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      •  Done
  • "She was only able to audition for certain roles": you mean she was somehow prevented from auditioning? I don't know how auditioning works -- do you need to pass some preliminary vetting to audition, as opposed to an open casting call?
    • From my understanding, Fumero wasn't auditioning through an open casting call. With these, the casting director will choose a small number of applicants from the agencies' submissions to audition since casting can be expensive and there is only a budget to consider a small number of applicants.
  • Is Tiny Dancer worth a redlink?
    •  Done
  • "Journalists gave unanimous acclaim towards": this is clumsily phrased, but in any case to say that a show received "unanimous acclaim" is not the same thing as saying that Rotten Tomatoes put the show in its "unanimous acclaim" category.
    • Rephrased
  • "During the latter year of the season's broadcast": it's not clear when this refers to. If latter refers to 2014-15, I would just say "In 2015".
    •  Done
  • "However, she was hesitant to ask NBC as a woman": I know what you mean but this is opaquely phrased; can you make this more direct?
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      I don't think this is clear. You might just quote her at this point. Maybe 'She was hesitant to ask NBC to let her direct an episode of Brooklyn Nine-Nine, although she felt more wome of color should be directing: "I didn't ask this season, because it was NBC and ... we're women, and like, I don't wanna ruffle any feathers and it was like, I can't ask a boy to dance, they have to ask me."' Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 14:34, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      •  Done
  • "Fumero voiced Melissa Tarleton": why the past tense? The show is still in production, isn't it?
    • The show was cancelled earlier this year, so she will not voice the character anymore
  • "Fumero was reported to be starring in comedy film Bar Fight! in 2021." This is old news; any update? Is Bar Fight! worth a redlink?
    • plus Added release date and redlink
  • Perhaps give the expected premier date of Blockbuster?
    •  Done
  • Two rows in the "Film" table are not sourced; and not everything in the "Television" table is sourced.

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 21:37, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pamzeis, just checking you're planning to work on this? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 09:28, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry! Been kinda busy lately... I'll get it done by the end of tomorrow... Pamzeis (talk) 13:23, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No problem, just wanted to check you still wanted to work on it. I'll ping you again in a week if you haven't gotten to it by then. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 13:33, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, uh, sorry... again... but stuff has come up lately and I won't be able to finish until Saturday... really sorry for the delay. Thanks. Pamzeis (talk) 15:13, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No problem at all. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 00:09, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Mike Christie: Responded to all comments Pamzeis (talk) 12:19, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Earwig reveals no issues. Spotchecks:

  • FN 7 cites "When at home, she and her family spoke Spanish, but her parents stopped forcing her and her brother to do so after he encountered issues at school." The source appears to be dead. If the source is a video, as it appears to be, and if you can get it working, can you provide the time offset for the support for this source? A reader shouldn't have to watch a whole video to verify a source.
    •  Fixed
    •  Done
  • FN 6 cites "Hours after her final exam at NYU, she booked the role of Adriana Cramer on soap opera One Life to Live (OLTL), which she described as "the biggest redeeming moment"." Verified.
  • FN 62 cites "For her vocal performance in Disney Junior's Elena of Avalor as Antonia—the titular character's seamstress and, later, the first female member of the royal guard". Verified.

Verification of FN 7 above is the only remaining issue. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:47, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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