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Notability

I urge the deletion of this article.

Notability is not temporary 'In particular, if reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a single event, and if that person otherwise remains, or is likely to remain, a low-profile individual, we should generally avoid having a biographical article on that individual.' http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability Beingsshepherd (talk) 04:20, 28 February 2013 (UTC)Beingsshepherd[reply]

I disagree. Here, the 'single event' is 9/11. Many people are notable because they died in an event of historical significance. There are articles about other 9/11 victims who are notable because they made phone calls during the event, and I think readers would expect to find information on those people in Wikipedia. I have looked through other biographical articles of 9/11 victims, and I have decided to remove the notability flag. None of the other articles have notability flags. Doi's call to 911 was used as evidence at a major trial, and it also represents the experiences of other people for whom no written or audio record remains. Roches (talk) 00:09, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

2,996 people died on September 11, 2001. Do all of them deserve a Wikipedia page? At the very least, this article should be dramatically scaled back. What relevance does her height have? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.81.94.69 (talk) 18:42, 17 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Sourcing and style issues

Regarding this edit:

Released works (books, films) function as their own primary source for their content, per WP:PSTS, so these are not "unsourced". Per this RfC, IPC entries require secondary sourcing, plus that sourcing must demonstrate not only that the reference exists but that it is significant.

I see nothing at template doc that precludes indicating the Bronx as her pob, since that page says "administrative region" can be used, and this is cite-supported in this article. It states that the general format is "city, administrative region, country" - ie in the case of US locations, including state. However it also clarifies that in the case of NYC "New York City, US" is the appropriate format.

Including the transcript is reasonable, given the subject. Including a link to the transcript is reasonable given the subject; including the full text in the article is not. Do not include the full text of lengthy primary sources. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:02, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Possible source conflict?

There seems to be a source conflict between the Ossining Daily Voice and New York Times as to when Doi was employed at IQ Financial Systems.

The New York Times obituary, which was published in early 2002, says that Doi was employed ""four years ago". This also matches with the El Nuevo Dia article, which says Doi was involved since the founding of the company.

However, the Ossining Daily Voice article says that Doi began working at IQFS "on the 83rd floor" in early 2001.[1].

It will be difficult to establish which source is right and which is wrong. It could also be that Daily Voice merely refers to "IQFS on the 83rd floor", which opens up the possibility that Doi had previously been working this company on a different floor, earlier on. I recall that IQFS may have been previously located on a lower floor, but these sources may also have been erroneous.

Perhaps someone can reach out to the Daily Voice article's author for a clarification? If anyone knows of any other sources for this, your help is appreciated. 71.42.191.142 (talk) 10:15, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This 1990s archive of the IQ Financial Systems website indicates that their New York Office was actually on the 23rd floor of the Deutsche Bank building. Possibly Doi was working there prior to 2001? 71.42.191.142 (talk) 08:22, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In Defense Of Doi's 911 Operator

Hindsight is 20/20. People who are critical of this dispatcher haven't even taken the time to research what was actually happening during Doi's 9/11 call.

When Doi made the call, rescuers were in fact on their way up the stairwell of the South Tower. Orio Palmer had fixed an elevator on the 40th floor, raced up 38 flights of steps, and was actually continuing his trek while Doi was on the phone with the 9/11 operator. He would have reached her floor about 5 minutes before the towers collapsed and barring that collapse could have led them down to the 40th floor where they could have taken an elevator down to the lobby.

No one knew the buildings were going to collapse. They didn't have a YouTube video with a timer, and they didn't know what was about to happen. The information the dispatcher gave Doi was accurate: Rescuers were on their way up to her. And a team of them had reached the point of impact and continued up to where she was. And then... the buildings collapsed.

Criticizing a 911 operator for not seeing the future is nonsensical. And the idea that she should have told everyone, "You're going to die," is barbaric, inhumane, and to put it bluntly, stupid. Doi knew she was dying. She managed to get a message to her mother through this 911 operator. To sit cozy at your computers demanding that the 911 operator both know the future and tell a group of people, "Y'all gonna die" is one of the most inhumane things I've seen online about this incident.

The message from the 9/11 operator wasn't inaccurate. During the call, Palmer had reached the point of impact and was racing up to rescue people on the upper floors. To suggest she should have ignored that reality and guessed that the towers were going to collapse is offensively dense.

Doi knew her situation. And the 911 operator told her the truth: Palmer was on the way. Her only error is not knowing the future, and who are you to demand that she should have. Doi died with a soothing voice on the other end who cared about her, who did wish for her rescue, who did have info that people were coming. Had the towers not collapsed, she might have been the person who kept Doi awake in time for rescuers to get to her. And she did call Melissa's mother and relay that last message. This woman is a hero who comforted the dying. The fact that pop internet psychologists have twisted this incident is disturbing. Doi herself chose to call 911 and to not give up. Who are you to ask that she get "more real" about her situation? Wbrab (talk) 00:06, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]