Talk:Melanie Harrison Okoro

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- Short bio might have some linkable things (Eco-Alpha Environmental & Engineering Services, STEM, Council of the American Geophysical Union (AGU)) - For early life, keep it all in the past tense (Okoro finished her education, and she attended Johnson C. Smith University in Charlotte) - Infobox has different birthdate than your body paragraph - Citable- Eco-Alpha Environmental & Engineering Services, Big Brothers Big Sisters, Earth Science Women's Network's Leadership Board ? - I don’t think it would be the NOA, just NOA - Might be more readable to lay out publications, book chapters, and technical reports in full sentences - Double check that you can use her linkedIn, as she probably wrote this herself

Wiki Education assignment: Artificial Intelligence and Law

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 28 September 2023 and 12 December 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): SydtheSloth22 (article contribs). Peer reviewers: CommodoreVe.

— Assignment last updated by CommodoreVe (talk) 16:58, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Peer Review

Great job, the article flowed well, the tone was neutral, and the content was relevant. I also agree with the previous review regarding referencing linkedin. If another resource could be used it might be beneficial. Other than that I thought the article was well written. Mpsheriff (talk) 19:41, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

COI

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SydtheSloth22 (talk · contribs) This user has declared a connection. (Insert relevant affiliations, disclosures, article drafts or diffs showing COI contributions.)

I have independently research the subject by reading reliable articles, reviewing recorded video of past envents, and pod cast. I have only added factual information, non bias information. I am not a paid contributor or bear any gain for contributing and improving this page. I have also implemented changes of past and present peer reviewers. SydtheSloth22 (talk) 06:23, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Orphan page

This page has wikipedia links to NOAA, Environmental Science, and UMBC as a few to mention. Removing template that suggest this page is still an orphan page. SydtheSloth22 SydtheSloth22 (talk) 06:58, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@SydtheSloth22 Please read the "Orphan" template more carefully: it says as no other articles link to it.. "To", not "From". In fact there is now one link to the article, from List of African-American women in STEM fields, so this article is no longer an orphan and I will remove the template. You can check the incoming links by going to "What links here": you see a list like this. PamD 09:00, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the clarification. I am a student and I am still learning. I appreciate the peer review. SydtheSloth22 SydtheSloth22 (talk) 13:30, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Image copyright violation ?

SydtheSloth22 (@Brianda (Wiki Ed) and 9Starbucks:) you uploaded this image as your own work, but a) it's on her LinkedIn Profile, b) looks like a professional photo, c) there's no camera metadata with the upload, and d) she seems to live on the opposite coast from your school project. Did you take this picture yourself and do you own the copyright to it? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 05:00, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The picture is free to use. It has no copyright license to it. I will remove it and work it, an reach back to you to assist with getting it on the page. The uploading process is very confusing. SydtheSloth22 SydtheSloth22 (talk) 13:33, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What statement is needed to use this image? The subject stated it is a free image that can be use by anyone.

Keep in mind I am a student learning this process. SydtheSloth22 (talk) 13:59, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

SydtheSloth22, I am not active on Commons (precisely because I agree with you that it is very confusing to navigate), so I can't help you with how to fix things there, but what is your evidence that the image has no copyright? Copyright is implied. I recognize you are a student but copyright violation is a very serious legal issue, and I hope you will dialogue with your professor and fellow students about this; if there is any doubt about how to apply copyright policy on Wikipedia, and properly uopload, you should all a) ask Wiki Ed staff to help you deal with several copyrighted images that are already on Commons, and b) be sure to refrain from uploading any more images. Regular editors can address any content problems in articles as you are learning, but getting copyrighted images removed from Commons takes a different skillset that not all of us have. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:13, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

PS, SydtheSloth22, another suggestion you might make to your professor is that you would all have a better editing experience if you avoided working on biographies of living people (BLPs), and worked instead on other types of content. There are extra policies that apply to BLPs, and they can be a hard place to learn about Wikipedia! Also, your professor should be engaging these talk page discussions so that lessons learned can be transmitted to the rest of the class. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:17, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

SandyGeorgia, thank you for understanding. I will upload to you my evidence once I receive it from the subject. I only want to add truth and give highlight what is true. I made a mistake and I am reviewing the uploading process and I have requested from the subject to send information needed to use the image. I will update this discussion when I receive. I am hoping in a few days. SydtheSloth22 SydtheSloth22 (talk) 14:32, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again for engaging, SydtheSloth22, but if the holder of that copyright has released it to Wikipedia, there is a formal process they need to follow, and sending it to me won't do the trick (I don't work on Commons, where images are hosted). I'll find the link you need to send to the copyright holder, and come back here with it momentarily. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:40, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Here you go: Wikipedia:A picture of you. See the section titled "By email". The person who holds the copyright needs to release it to Wikipedia via that process. If you aren't the copyright holder, you can't do it on their behalf. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:44, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much SandyGeorgia, this has been a interesting process. I really appreciate your feedback and wiliness to help me get this right. SydtheSloth22 (talk) 15:57, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome; I'm sorry it's been so hard. Learning to edit Wikipedia has a serious learning curve, even when you're not under course deadlines and having it affect your grade! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:07, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Unexplained removal of source

This article was created in 2019, but it appears that four of the references were removed recently by a student editor ...

https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Melanie_Harrison_Okoro&diff=prev&oldid=1182489012

--Dustfreeworld (talk) 09:13, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And it’s the title of this piece (from the Sci. American) that catches my eyes. --Dustfreeworld (talk) 09:34, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dustfreeworld you noted 3 of 4 sources that you are reporting that was removed. I was not aware that any of the previous sources were removed. can you add the 4th one so that it can be placed back. SydtheSloth22 SydtheSloth22 (talk) 13:37, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just to clarify, I mean these four references were deleted (likely a careless mistake?):

1) "Basketball Media Guide" (PDF). Johnson C. Smith University Golden Bulls. 2002. p. 41. Retrieved 27 February 2019.

2) OnlineEducation.com. "Melanie Harrison Okoro, PhD – Water Quality Specialist, National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration in the National Marine Fisheries Service". OnlineEducation.com. Retrieved 27 February 2019

3) aldoleopoldnaturecenter (2019-03-27). "Dr. Melanie Harrison Okoro". Featured Scientists. Retrieved 2019-10-17.

4) DNLee (9 March 2015). "You Should Know: Dr. Melanie Harrison Okoro". Scientific American. Retrieved 27 February 2019. --Dustfreeworld (talk) 00:23, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes likely, I will replace them back on the page. SydtheSloth22 SydtheSloth22 (talk) 02:17, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No hurry, SydtheSloth22. Although those sources were cited in the article before, they may or may not be reliable source (as Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia that anyone can edit ;) So you may want to take a deeper look at the guidelines of Wikipedia, and also seek help from other senior Wikipedian like Sandy first, before making those changes. --Dustfreeworld (talk) 08:37, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dustfreeworld, SandyGeorgia, Okay, so as we still discuss this page fate, what do I need to do at this point? Can I continue to make my updates in sandbox? SydtheSloth22 (talk) 12:32, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

SydtheSloth22, yes, please continue to update in sandbox; then, if the article survives AFD (which can take a few weeks), you can easily move it over to main space. WP:AFD is a community-wide process, which draws in more experienced users to opine on whether a topic meets notability; our voices (as involved editors) are considered among the many. And although I'm a very experienced editor, I'm famously dismal at AFD. The first thing is for the topic to be shown notable (your prof should have made sure you were working on notable articles, and that wasn't done, as shown by the discussion at the Wiki Ed noticeboard). If the article survives AFD, then it's OK to use lower quality sources for certain kinds of statements.

Another thing you might do, meanwhile is read Wikipedia:Education noticeboard/Archive 23#Problematic course, still; if your professor does not become more responsive, you might want to talk to the Dean. This is not how a Wiki Ed course should be run, and your grade should not be affected.

Another thing you can do is get in touch with the other students in your class to share knowledge gained; several of them are still uploading images without copyright. It seems at this point that you can do a better job of learning about Wikipedia from each other than what you're getting from the prof.

You've been one of the most cooperative students to work with I've encountered in over a decade, and your prof and Dean should know that, so your grade is not affected. If you decide to stick around after your course to edit this, or other Wikipedia articles, I'll be standing by for any assistance you need. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:05, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@SandyGeorgia

Sorry for multiple replies but I didn't realize I was not logged in.

Sandy, I really appreciate you acknowledging my efforts. Yes, I do plan to learn more and definitely continue to edit my subject's page and do more with working with Wikipedia articles. Our school network was hacked so, we have not been able to communicate as a class in a couple of weeks, If we do have class before this semester ends, I definitely plan to share my experience with the class. I did more research on Scientific American. They have their own Wikipedia page. The company has been around since 1845, they have over 47 references, they are internationally known around the world, Scientific American, informally abbreviated SciAm or sometimes SA, is an American popular science magazine. Many famous scientists including Albert Einstein and Nikola Tesla have contributed articles to it, with more than 150 Nobel Prize-winners being featured since its inception. In print since 1845, it is the oldest continuously published magazine in the United States. SydtheSloth22 SydtheSloth22 (talk) 01:43, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again, SydtheSloth22. Although normally, one should never remove another editor's posts from talk, I hope you don't mind that I took the liberty to delete the two duplicates above.

Yes, Scientific American is a well known publication and a reliable source; one of the questions in this case was whether a blog could be used to establish notability. The Scientific American source used is not from their regular publications, rather a blog page. As you can see, no consensus was found on the AFD, so the article survives, albeit with dubious notability.

I'm happy to hear you plan to keep contributing; please feel free to stop by User talk:SandyGeorgia if I can every be of any help. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:53, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Dustfreeworld, I'm still open to being convinced on this article, but I'm unsure how comfortable I feel about using a blog (even if Sci American) to support notability. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:15, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

. SandyGeorgia American Scientist is a very reputable publication magazine. They are a member of the Sigma Xi, The Scientific Research Honor Society the international honor society of science and engineering. Sigma Xi is a prestigious honor society that recognizes and celebrates academic excellence in scientific research and scholarship. SydtheSloth22 (talk) 15:25, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, but whether a blog can be used to establish notability is what I question. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:39, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

-Dustfreeworld -

I just viewed a link you provided that show the reference you speak of. I was not aware of the references being removed. I only added the additional ones. There was no need to remove the ones prior to. They too were verifiable resources.SydtheSloth22 SydtheSloth22 (talk) 14:28, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Early Life and Education

@Brianda (Wiki Ed) Why is citation needed for where Okoro graduated with PHD? I have researched and the only way to verify is through the school registrar office. Can the citation be removed? Of can UMBC be added as a link for the citation?

Early life and education[edit]

Melanie Harrison Okoro was born in Cocoa Beach, Florida. Her family moved to Tuskegee, Alabama, where she grew up. Okoro first discovered her interest in environmental science through swimming and fishing with her great-grandmother and twin sister in Lake Martin, Alabama. She attended Johnson C. Smith University in Charlotte, North Carolina on a basketball scholarship. Okoro graduated in 2005 with a Bachelor of Science degree in biology, and finished her education when she received her Doctor of Philosophy degree in Marine Estuarine and Environmental Science from the University of Maryland, Baltimore County in 2011.^{[citation needed]} SydtheSloth22 (talk) 15:54, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]