Talk:Mecklenburgian invasion of Sweden

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Questions

@GusGusBrus: I find the emphasis on the First Swedish-Norwegian union a bit doubtful. This part of Scandinavian is a bit vague to me, so I might be wrong in my doubts, but please clarify, in which source is the union mentioned? Sweden and Norway were in a personal union under Magnus during his early reign, but in what sense were they united at the end of his reign? Does this just refer to Haakon being briefly the king in both countries, and if so, why should we consider it a continuation of Magnus' personal union (which source presents it as such)? Since the union was merely a personal union, its dissolution simply means that Haakon was deposed in Sweden.

Also, about the discussion about legality of Albert's election. Albert was Duke Erik Magnusson's grandson, so he was not a complete outsider to the Royal line and that should probably be acknowledged. Does that legality discussion come from Sundberg?

Btw, I changed Opsahl's article into an English version from the previous year. It seems to me like the content is exactly the same. Hope you don't mind. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 16:43, 4 September 2024 (UTC) [updated 09:32, 5 September 2024 (UTC)][reply]

The union is mentioned as seperate countries as they functioned as such, but in this context it was both the union kings and kingdoms fighting against Mecklenburg.

The legality question of Albert's election was mentioned in the source.

Thanks GusGusBrus (talk) 21:11, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Västergötland, Värmland and Dalsland were ceded as personal fiefdoms to Magnus and Haakon, and returned to Sweden when Haakon died. FrinkMan (talk) 00:56, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Doesnt change that they were de facto ruled by Norway until then. GusGusBrus (talk) 11:51, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not exactly. They were ruled as personal fiefdoms of Magnus and Haakon. FrinkMan (talk) 18:52, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which were the kings of Norway. What is the difference between the two during their reign? GusGusBrus (talk) 16:12, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's a third power in addition to the kings. In 1371 Albrecht managed to resist Haakon only by submitting to the Swedish riksråd, which then forced him to submit to a handfästning. Haakon and Magnus were also not in a position to resist the riksråd, but were forced to abandon their claim to the title of King of Sweden. When the Diocese of Skara was given as a fief to Magnus, the local nobles were assigned to remain under the authority of the Swedish riksråd. It seems like the riksråd was in the position to enforce this condition. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 16:40, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]