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A fact from Maternity care deserts in the United States appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 24 February 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that 35.6 percent of counties in the United States are classified as maternity care deserts?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/February. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Maternal Care Deserts in America.

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Introduction

Hi, I am a student at Rice University pursing the minor in Poverty, Justice and Human Capabilities. I am always looking for more ways to improve this article. I am looking for feedback and general tips. I hope to continue improving this article Kristudent194 (talk) 10:59, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I love the addition about Texas which prompted me to include massachusetts. I am thinking of adding Mississippi, I also added more information about Doulas. I think thereis a lot that can be done. I hope you keep working on it. Wpcheha (talk) 03:37, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Rjjiii talk 03:35, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... ~~that 36% of counties in America are maternal care deserts?~~ Source: https://www.marchofdimes.org/research/maternity-care-deserts-report.aspx
- ALT1: ... that for 6 million women giving birth in America is dangerous? Source: https://magazine.nursing.jhu.edu/2023/08/confronting-the-issue-of-maternity-care-deserts/
- Reviewed:

Created by Kristudent194 (talk). Self-nominated at 11:52, 14 December 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Maternal Care Deserts in America; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

current cleanup banner in the article will need to be fixed before this article can be promoted at DYK. Additionally, I'm not sure the second hook is good. Women with uncomplicated pregnancy may not face any dangers due to lack of medical care. The source would need to meet WP:MEDRS. (t · c) buidhe 08:17, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ALT0 might be too short, I'd suggest something like "classified as MCDs" rather than "are MCDs" Orchastrattor (talk) 04:39, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

First let me say that this is a really important article, and I thank you for adding it to Wikipedia. I've done some additional cleanup on the grammar. Regarding the alts, I've struck the originals re: the comments above and am suggesting slight modifications below.
- ALTa : ~~that 36% of counties in the United States are classified as maternal care deserts?~~ Source: https://www.marchofdimes.org/research/maternity-care-deserts-report.aspx taking this suggestion and creating an alt for it. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 16:44, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- ALT1a: ... ~~that for 5.6 million women giving birth in America is more dangerous?~~ Source: https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/for-nearly-6-million-women-us-is-a-dangerous-place-to-deliver-report.html - this is not a big change but it marks the important point that for women in maternal care deserts, pregnancy risk is increased. Not everyone will have problems, but the possibility of problems is higher for everyone. The alt becomes more hooky as it then sparks the question "Why is it more dangerous for these women?" Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 16:44, 22 December 2023 (UTC) I have modified the hook to use the actual number from the original report, and cited a source which gives both numbers: 5.6 and almost 6. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 17:58, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The nominator, Kristudent194, has not edited Wikipedia since Dec. 19. Unless the user returns, or someone is willing to take over this nomination, I am closing this as abandoned. Z1720 (talk) 15:07, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Z1720:, I would be willing to take it over if someone wants to review. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 20:35, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mary Mark Ockerbloom: Is this ready to be re-reviewed? Z1720 (talk) 23:28, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Z1720:, I believe so, I just did a few minor edits and rephrased the opening sentence so that it uses the title of the article. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 19:15, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1a invites the obvious question "more dangerous than what"? so obviously needs clarification. Gatoclass (talk) 05:55, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I think that makes it more "hooky". Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 17:58, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALTa looks fine, except that the figure of 36% is not in the article. Other than that, there are still a couple of in-text tags that need addressing. Gatoclass (talk) 06:04, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mary Mark Ockerbloom: It's been a few days since the above comment, will you be able to address the remaining issues? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:04, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5 and Z1720: Thanks for catching that, and for your patience. I have now fact-checked and cited all of the data given in the Wikipedia article. There were a couple of places where secondary sources had rounded up numbers from the march of dimes reports, so I cited the originals as better numbers. MOD gives "34.9" as the percentage of counties in 2020, and "35.6" in Table 2 in its 2022 report. The BMJ, also cited, states "Some 1119 of the nation’s 3143 counties are maternity care deserts, a 2% increase since the 2020 report." Given that, I would like to propose the following instead:
- ALT2 : ... ~~that the percentage of counties in the United States that are classified as maternity care deserts increased from 34.9% in 2020 to 35.6% in 2022?~~ Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 01:52, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Not a review, but since the interesting thing in this hook is the term "maternity care desert" itself, I would keep it short and go with a single figure, like the original hook. (I disagree with Orchastrattor here; shorter is usually better for DYK purposes.) --Paul_012 (talk) 13:36, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What Paul said. Gatoclass (talk) 13:55, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If we use a more accurate number, as given below, ALTa could pass as:

ALTa2 : that 35.6% of counties in the United States are classified as maternity care deserts?Source: The number 35.6 appears in Table 2 of https://www.marchofdimes.org/sites/default/files/2022-10/2022_Maternity_Care_Report.pdf Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 18:08, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALTa2 looks fine, except that you don't appear to have a source for the total number of US counties (3143 according to the article). Gatoclass (talk) 11:58, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gatoclass: Thanks for catching that, I've fixed ALTa2. Table 2 of the 2022 report shows a total of 3,142 counties. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 13:29, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall:

ALTa2 verified. Thank you for taking the trouble to rescue this important nom Mary! Gatoclass (talk) 14:02, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

capitalization

@Kristudent194, thank you for writing this article! On Wikipedia, we write titles in sentence case, and "Maternal care desert" does not seem to be a proper name, per se, so it should be rendered in sentence case in the article title. Remsense留 11:59, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]