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Section size for Marxism–Leninism–Maoism (17 sections)
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Components	17	6,287
New Democracy	1,152	1,152
Mass line	1,698	1,698
Law of contradiction	297	297
Protracted people's war	3,123	3,123
Differences from Mao Zedong Thought	2,653	2,653
International influence	1,102	25,504
India	1,223	2,246
Manipur	1,023	1,023
Latin America	2,542	17,516
Peru	14,974	14,974
Nepal	968	968
Philippines	550	550
United States	3,122	3,122
References	30	30
Further reading	922	922
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Shouldn't "Marxism–Leninism–Mao Zedong thought" be a redirect to this page? (97.90.153.18 (talk) 06:51, 12 May 2018 (UTC))[reply]

Agree, and we should highlight Marxism–Leninism–Mao Zedong Thought as the former form of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism in this article.--Fire and Ice (talk) 07:46, 15 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

An editor said, "Marxism–Leninism–Mao Zedong Thought is used by Marxists and Marxist–Leninists to refer to Mao Zedong Thought or Maoism, not MLM." I wonder whether it is true in English world. According to my experience, it is not true in Chinese world. Fire Ice 14:49, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Marxism-Leninism-Mao Zedong Thought refers to the Chinese concept of "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics". Marxism-Leninism-Maoism explicitly rejects China as a socialist country, claims to be a higher stage of socialist thought, among other things (see the "Differences from MZT" section in the article) LarsU778 (talk) 11:49, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In that case, it seems like the best solution would be a disambiguation page that explains the distinction. I think most editors/readers won't realize that that's how the terms are used unless we call attention to it. I'd consider myself relatively well-versed in modern socialist movements but even I didn't realize that. SilverStar54 (talk) 23:13, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lede

The lede doesn't say what the actual ideology is at all. It should give at least a brief summary. Benjamin (talk) 02:28, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Shining Path's Affiliations - Contradictory information in two articles

Marxism–Leninism–Maoism states that the Shining Path "...is not to be confused with Militarized Communist Party of Peru, or the Peruvian Communist Party; of which it is unaffiliated."

But, from the Shining Path article: "Into the 2020s, Shining Path has existed in remaining splinter groups. The main remaining group, called the Militarized Communist Party of Peru (MPCP) of about 450 individuals remained in the Valle de los Ríos Apurímac"

Which is true? Does not being the main splinter group count as affiliation? FropFrop (talk) 16:04, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The PCP-MLM split from the PCP. Later, the MCPP split from the PCP-MLM aka "Shining Path". That is how the three groups are related to each other.

a splinter group should not count as affiliation. It's a historical relation for sure. a split could be permanent or lead to a reconciliation. but as long as it's a split, that is an antagonism. that isn't really up for debate, it's baked into the concept of a split.

Only some concrete evidence would make it reasonable to assume that these groups, which produce propaganda against each other and fight each other, are actually affiliated. You are free to show that.

Not the unfortunately abstract reasoning that "they are historically related, thus they are affiliated." It's not very convincing. Freyheytlid (talk) 04:59, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And, in general, it's bad to add a dubious tag when you are just personally confused about something. If you think information is false, if you are sure of that, you should correct it. If you don't like the information? That's a personal issue. Freyheytlid (talk) 05:03, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Freyheytlid I wasn't trying to make that argument. It just seemed like the claims contradicted one another. I see now that a 'clarification needed' tag would have worked as well. I'll tweak the phrasing of the article so that it's clearer.FropFrop (talk) 06:11, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Difference between Maoism (MZT) and MLM?

The article now states that MLM does not reject Mao's theory of Third Worldism. This was the only point of difference given between Map Zedong's thought and Marxism-Leninsim-Maoism that was specific.

I won't propose that the articles be merged, as that idea was rejected recently. However, the two articles now hold no content that sets them apart. The only difference being that the article on Mao's thought is much higher quality.

If the articles aren't going to be merged, I really do think that someone who would argue that they are different, find specific examples of why this is so. FropFrop (talk) 07:58, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

From looking at the two articles, it seems this issue has been rectified, as the Mao Zedong Thought article describes an ideology developed during the life of Mao himself, whereas Marxism-Leninism-Maoism states that the ideology formed outside of the lifetime of Mao Zedong. Thus, they are different. Freyheytlid (talk) 05:13, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Freyheytlid The point that one is Mao's thought and the other is an ideology developed from his thought was already included in both articles. The issue of the articles including the same content is still present imo. I don't necessarily disagree that the subjects are in fact different, but the articles do not currently give examples of how they differ. FropFrop (talk) 06:04, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]