Talk:Martin Eden

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("...weak and evil...")

What a weak and evil man Jack London was, disparaging individualism and ambition in this manner. I'm glad this dreadful book was a complete flop, it seems there is some justice in the world after all. --194.81.33.10 (talk) 22:01, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

191, I'm a daft old wreck of a man (which is sad), but not yet a stupid one. You sound like a bitter young man ... or, rather, you did 8 years ago. (Lemme be obnoxious, pretentious, and, even more fun, annoying especially if right, by speculating that you're now between 25 and 30.) If I am right then you fulfill a stereotype. (If I am wrong, which IMO is neither likely nor unlikely, ... well, then I don't rule out the possibility that I am mistaken or even pathetic in feeling sorry for you.)

But in any case, you are young as a writer and thinker. "Weak" and "evil" aren't flabby words but you made them sound so; individualism and ambition aren't dumb ideas but you made them sound so; maybe you've already grown into the ability to do the work that precedes doing otherwise. If not, eight years isn't that long, and most lives are long enough.

Best wishes,
--JerzyA (talk) 10:39, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oops; IMO: it's both

the right or prerogative (There's a red or blue link that I can follow to the article "prerogative", to find out if I've misused it), of the initiator of a discussion section, to create the heading and thereby give a title to that section, and the authority to remediate, and

the responsibility to do so,

devolve to, respectively, editors and admins; I now notice that I nearly forgot it -- despite the specificity of my intention.

--JerzyA (talk) 12:09, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In popular culture

The Twilight Singers have a song called "Martin Eden" on their 2003 album Blackberry Belle. The song espouses themes of alienation and depression. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.28.108.64 (talk) 17:18, 20 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Can anyone find a reliable source that indicates that the song is actually a reference to Jack London's novel? A lyrics site provides these, and I don't see any clear connection. Even the mention of suicide--Martin Eden drowned in the Pacific Ocean, not in a river. There's no mention of writing, no mention of the mood being a reaction to success. One could just as well see Martin Eden in the Beatles' "A Day in the Life."

“

Black out the windows

I'ts party time You know how I love stormy weather So, let's all play suicide....

How wide? How deep the river? Black-as dark as night How long? How far? I'll know when I get to the other side

I breathe in Unchain myself- Tonite's the night No wind, rain, conversation-

Brings me back alive tonite How wide? How deep the river black as night.

”

Dpbsmith (talk) 14:22, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That's what makes it an "Allusion in Popular culture". The song is about depression, integrity, alienation, and suicide. The main character of the song is comparing himself to Martin, but lacking a convenient ocean nearby, is thinking about throwing himself int he river. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.35.126.216 (talk) 17:55, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]