Talk:Marriageable age/Archive 1

This is an archive of past discussions about Marriageable age. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page.

Archive 1

2004, 2007, 2008 posts

it would be helpful if there was an average age for each section, then you would be able to get the concept of the marriageable ages even when ur in a hurry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Byper (talk • contribs) 10:46, 20 October 2008 (UTC) The phrase "with previous marriage" in the New Zealand and Utah entries is a bit confusing - does it mean that the age (16 & 14, respectively) applies to those already in a marriage who've moved to that nation or state? --Azonips 07:24, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)fish sticks.

Since in Utah you can get married at 14 with parental consent, if you've already married once by parental consent and gotten divorced, you can remarry against before reaching 18 even if your parents don't consent to the second marriage.

I am thinking of adding Arizona to the list but I would like to find a table or list to template from which would include a reference to find the law. My addition would be something along the line of

Arizona: no statutory minumum, those under 18 must have parental consent, those under 16 must receive approval of a superior court judge and parental consent. (statute)

i'm confused.. how/where does the old British common law come in in the states (in the US) where that is recognized? (ie. how did that guy mentioned in the Statutory Rape wiki article get to marry a 13yo when the min age mentioned here is higher than that? Boombaard 22:02, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Immigration

I removed Denmark & Netherlands immigration facts. These do not relate to marriageble age, but to immigration law. Should be on another page. Pallas44 19:33, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

In the Netherlands and Denmark the marriageable age for migrants is different that's actually quite relevant to the issue of marriageable age. Just like being a woman, pregnant or having parental concerns matters in some countries, being from a different country matters there. C mon 23:15, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

You are mistaken. The marriageble age is not higher for immigrants. There's a difference between being able to marry and conferring immigration benefits on your spouse. It is possible for a foreigner to marry a Dutch person in the Netherlands, as long as both are over 18, without income restrictions. The anon contributor below made the same statement wrt Denmark. The information you included could be in Immigration law in the Netherlands. Care to write it? Pallas44 22:54, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Argentina

I added Argentina age ; I'm sure that is 21, I saw the law. Now, I'm not too sure about minimun age for parent consent, I think that is 15 or 18. Please someone correct that. Thanks.

According to the Civil Code it's 16 for females and 18 for males [1] --Ojota 08:44, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

China (PRC)

I believe the article from Interpol (2006) is outdated. As far as I know, the marriageable age in PR China is 23 years old for both genders. Alphast 07:54, 19 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alphast (talk • contribs)

Yemen

Yemen has amended its law and as it now stands it is 17 years old for both genders. Sorry bout the edit on the page, I oops-ed it. The 2 ref. you now have do not apply anymore here is the ref. that does apply http://yementimes.com/article.shtml?i=1233&p=front&a=1 Mazighe (talk) 09:55, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Incorrect information about Iran

"15 for males, 13 for females."

In Iran, a man can marry a girl aged 9. The reason for this is because one of Mohammed's wives (Aisha) was 9 when he married her.

Be bold and change it. - Sikon 11:58, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Fixed it! --Strappado 00:49, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

This was so until 2001. Previous info was correct. Changed back.--Gerash 77 21:44, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Gerash, can you please translate the last part?

عقدنكاح دختر قبل از رسيدن به سن ۱۳ سال تمام شمسي و پسر قبل از رسيدن به سن ۱۵ سال تمام شمسي منوط است به اذن ولي به شرط رعايت مصلحت با تشخيص دادگاه صالح . --Rayis 11:11, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

It says girls under 13 and boys under 15 may get married with court ruling that its in their interest and their guardian agree as well.

Should I add this? --Gerash 77 14:21, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I added it as other countries state the exceptions as well.--Gerash 77 14:28, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

US States

I removed the glob of text that was lifted from [2] and the cleanup and wikify tags that were added in response to it. Perhaps someone can add the info back in proper (and non-copyvio) format. QVanillaQ 00:43, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

19 for same-sex couples

I'm reasonably certain that the age for same-sex couples is the same for different-sex couples --- my understanding is that same-sex civil unions and marriages are identical to other marriages and civil unions (due to our politicians messing about trying to dodge their homophobic constituents' wrath, civil unions and marriages are identical, and any couple can choose whether they want to civil-union or marry). It is true, however, (AFAIK) that same-sex couples (or at least male-male couples) may not have sex until 19. (OTOH, there is a law somewhere that says the age of consent for a married couple is 12). If anyone can make sense of this, please do so. --대조 | Talk 20:36, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Good source on family law in Islamic countries

I added some more African and Asian countries to the list, and used this source: Legal Profiles It also had a lot of other good information, for those who may want to use it for other articles. --Strappado 02:01, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Not too good, it seems: it's from 2002. Things have changed... I just corrected the entry for Morocco, as since 2004 the legal age is 18 for both males and females. Maybe the source I added is not the best one - can anyone look for a better in English? - but the fact is true, as I know for sure. - ilya - 10 June 2007

What about micronations?

Why don't they mention the marriable age in micronations? Wait-maybe they don't have a marriageable age in micronations, therefore no REAL government recognizes them If I lived in a Muslim nation I'd be able to get married by now-I'm going through puberty. 02:11, 4 July 2007 (UTC)signature:Jknight98

Marriageable age in Thailand.

The age de jure is 17 with parental consent and the married turn into a major automatically (generally, the age of majority is 20). Anyway, de facto, it is very popular in some subculture to get married very young even under 15. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.25.76.142 (talk) 14:29, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

History

We need to add a history section on marriageable age for each region. Faro0485 (talk) 20:48, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Netherlands

Netherlands: 18, 16 with parental consent, below 16 with parental consent.
16 with parental consent, below 16 with parental consent ?? There is no minimum age?
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.200.206.150 (talk) 23:18, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Legal age limits for gay marriage

The article should consider examining the legal age limits for gay marriage, especially since certain members of the gay community try to find acceptance as ephebophiles, i.e. people who are interested by adolescent youth from ages 14 to 18. It seems relevant from a legal and cultural legal point of view that this would be included. [3] ADM (talk) 06:08, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

I only read the first few pages of the article you linked, but it seemed to have no bearing on your suggestion (being about "young" gays in their mid twenties). The age of consent for SSM in every place it is legal is the same (or older?) than oppposite sex marriage. I find it very unlikely that SSM is ever going to be allowed for people younger than the age of consent for sex (what would they do, braid each others hair all night?), so unless those laws change this would seem to be a non-issue. We don't have a section in the marriage article about marriages possible use to prey on young girls, even though plenty of places allow extremely young opposite-sex marriages.

Maybe something could be written about the legal ages being different than for opposite-sex marriages, but are there differences anywhere? Such a difference would not be allowed in the EU, but maybe elsewhere? I could easily imaginge laws being made more palatable by keeping the age higher to "protect children", as was done in many places upon decriminalisation of homosexualityYob Mod 13:06, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Such discussion would be better addressed to the article on marriageable age. Please note that marriage laws already allow children as young as 13 to be married with parental consent; as Yobmod says, there is no reason to believe that legal same-sex marriage will change any of this. TechBear | Talk | Contributions 13:11, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

"certain members of the gay community try to find acceptance as ephebophiles" - certain members of the heterosexual community try to find acceptance of miscegenation in relation to marriages, point being; so what? Unless it represents the majority then I don't see it's relevance. -- Historyguy1965 (talk) 17:00, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Marriageable age in Cyprus

I removed the following phrase from the sentence that refers to Cyprus: "Under no circumstances is it permitted for the man to marry a woman who is over 12 years his junior or 6 years his senior." until a reference is added. Μάριος Ζηντίλης (talk) 11:47, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Marriage by state in USA

Looks like copyvio: "in our presence" wasn't rewritten, typically happens with copy and paste. Anyway, it should be a chart or table. So I deleted them all. It's in history if anyone wants to dredge it up and fix it. --Uncle Ed (talk) 17:53, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

District of Columbia

"Both applicants must be at least 18 years old to obtain a marriage license. With parental consent, the male must be at least 16 years old and the female must be at least 16 years old. Parental consent must be provided either in person or by notorized letter." This wording is confusing, can someone check with primary sources to update this? A couple seeking to be married in the District does not need to have a male and a female necessarily, also, why the breakdown into two if the information is the same? Why not "both parties must be at least 16 years old". Overall confusing wording JVittes (talk) 21:39, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Tablification

   The most obviously horrible aspect of the changes begun in the first week of November is the fact that there is no such word in English as "Consert".
   That's pretty damn easy to fix, yet it would be silly to do so without dealing with the fact that "Consent" does not describe the information that appears in the two columns, even in the cases where that column has been split into "Male" and "Female" subcolumns.
   It's entirely possible that those weeks of tuning it have been just a bad idea, and that the important pending contribution will be to sieve out a few bits of new data or corrections from the two months of changes, and fit those gems into the same format that served prior to Nov., but instead i'm giving the debug-the-new-approach route a shot, without trying to decide whether the new approach is an Edsel, and without endorsing it.
--Jerzy•t 03:53, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Vatican City

While it's true that under canon law it's 16/14 years, there is also a civil law in Vatican City. We should check that, too. The canon law limits refer to the whole world, this is the reason why they are relatively low. --84.152.46.165 (talk) 19:08, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Split article

Hi,

I just wanted to inform that since the section for USA was too long, I have split it into another article, Age of marriage in United States of America.

Thanks, TheOriginalSoni (talk) 11:14, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Mexico

Currently the page lists that the marriage age in Mexico is 18, unless if you're male (when it's 16 instead) or if you're female (in which case it is 15). How does this work? Does that mean that the marriage age of 18 is only for people who aren't male or female? Or is there an abundance of trisomy Y chromosome patients over there? --benlisquare_T•C•E 12:46, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Iran

According to this UN-report http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Issues/Women/WRGS/ForcedMarriage/NGO/JusticeForIran.pdf bottom of page 1 the marriageable age in Iran is 13 for girls and 15 for boys and even lower in specified circumstances "Article 1041 of the [Iranian] Civil Code states: “Marriage of girls before the age of 13 and boys before the age of 15 is contingent upon the permission of the guardian and upon the condition of the child’s best interests as determined by a competent court.” Unless someone can counter the statements in this report I will change the ages in a few days. E.vogel (talk) 15:49, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Done. --Nadia (Kutsuit) (talk) 16:15, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Canada

I'm going to reference the Canadian entry because incorrect info keeps getting added. Marriage age is not set by the federal government so there are 13 different sets of rules (10 provinces and 3 territories). Does anyone know of a reliable source that covers all 13? I can't find one and I would like to avoid adding 13 separate refs if I can. Meters (talk) 16:46, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

The claims that have been made by the IP seem to have a common thread of stating that marriages can be performed at a younger age for religious purposes: here (19 years, 16 if pregnant, but 16 for males and 14 for females for religious reasons), here (21 years, but 16 for males and 14 for females for religious reasons), here (21 years, 18 for male and 19 for females with parental consent, but 16 years for religious reasons), and here (18 for males, 19 for females, 12 years for religious purposes).

I can find no evidence supporting these claims. Official government sources list the following:

Six provinces and territories allow marriages at 19 (Nunavut, Northwest Territories, Yukon, British Columbia, Newfoundland and Labrador. and Nova Scotia)
Seven provinces allow marriages at 18 (Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Ontario, Quebec, New Brunswick, and Prince Edward Island).
All 13 allow marriages at 16 with parental consent. Some also allow for court permission rather than parental consent in this case.
Alberta and Prince Edward Island allow females under 16 to marry with a doctor's certificate showing they are pregnant or the mother of a living child.
British Columbia, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and Nova Scotia allow marriages at under 16 with court permission.
Aside from the two special provisions for underaged mothers, none have different ages for males vs. females.
None mention any special provisions for underaged marriages for religious reasons. If anyone knows of such provisions please provide a reliable source.

Since the IP has continued to make these edits, I'll add all 13 refs. Meters (talk) 17:35, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Actually. I'll add the info and refs to Marriage_in_Canada and clarify the Main article link in this article. Meters (talk) 17:54, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Confusion between age of majority, age of consent, and age of marriage

The lead correctly points out that The marriage age should not be confused with the age of majority or the age of consent, though in some places they may be the same. Can anyone suggest less potentially confusing column headers than "male consent" and "female consent"? Meters (talk) 18:41, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

China

The picture is really unnecessary. Someone added it to show how ridiculous Chinese are that they even need these signs. That's biased. --2.246.16.205 (talk) 06:49, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Legality in India determined by law not policy

It is not correct that "Official policy automatically declares marriages under 16 as "null and void", while marriages at the age of 16 or 17 are "voidable"". Policy does not determine legality.119.224.100.246 (talk) 03:40, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Nonsensical statement

The section History and social attitudes contains this sentence:

"In Roman law, first marriages to brides aged 12 through 24 required the consent of the bride and her father; but, by the late antique period, Roman law permitted women over 25 to marry without parental consent."

Why is there a "but" when the two situations being compared (brides aged 12 to 24 years old, and women over 25) ?

In fact, the portion beginning with "but" is automatically implied by the previous portion of the sentence. But, it omits mention of whether at age 25 or older the bride's consent is required.)Daqu (talk) 10:21, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Malta

It says 16 regardless of paternal consent, but here it says parent must give their written consent before the age of 18. 109.186.48.98 (talk) 19:25, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Upper limit of marriageable age?

The article only discusses minimum marriageable age. Is there any information on maximum? I have heard that some jurisdictions in the 19th century would not allow people over 80 to get married. However, I cannot provide a reliable source on it, so I will be happy if anyone does.176.15.77.168 (talk) 10:29, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to 2 external links on Marriageable age. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add {{cbignore}} after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}} to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—^{cyberbot II}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 01:40, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to one external link on Marriageable age. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add {{cbignore}} after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}} to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:

Added archive https://web.archive.org/20051020180714/http://portail.droit.francophonie.org/doc/html/mg/loi/fr/1962/1962dfmglgfr20.html to http://portail.droit.francophonie.org/doc/html/mg/loi/fr/1962/1962dfmglgfr20.html

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—^{cyberbot II}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 18:30, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to one external link on Marriageable age. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add {{cbignore}} after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}} to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:

Added archive http://web.archive.org/web/20151120221931/http://www.youthpolicy.org/factsheets/country/south-sudan/ to http://www.youthpolicy.org/factsheets/country/south-sudan/

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{Sourcecheck}}).

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—^{cyberbot II}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 00:38, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Marriageable age. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

Added archive http://web.archive.org/web/20131130190404/http://www.law.emory.edu:80/ifl/legal/srilanka.htm to http://www.law.emory.edu/IFL/legal/srilanka.htm

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{Sourcecheck}}).

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—^{cyberbot II}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 11:02, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 5 external links on Marriageable age. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{Sourcecheck}}).

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 12:41, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

Marriageable age in the US

This section needs to be changed. It is completely wrong, as all US states allow minors to marry. See https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/opinion/sunday/it-was-forced-on-me-child-marriage-in-the-us.html. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.5.216.100 (talk) 09:37, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 4 external links on Marriageable age. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 01:03, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 2 external links on Marriageable age. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 13:22, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Article does not reach a historically neutral encyclopedic standard. Needs expansion and revision.

Coming here to look up correct information, I noticed this article is perverted away from a historically neutral viewpoint. It seems to have a vested interest in cherry picking research to portray a view of greater lack in historical numbers of early marriages under the age of 18, which is the new vested age interest here. As repugnant as some of these marriages were, historically they exist in the numbers they did and do, and should be more accurately portrayed. For instance, the socially acceptable (at the time) early marriage practice of the Victorian era, and between adolescent girls and middle age men, seems to be conspicuously missing from the supposed timeline, and the reforms. This currently is a point of racial contention about non western country's and forced marriage and abductions of young adolescent girls, however, it is still historical, and different in the Victorian context, so must be included to show the context of historical change in marriageable age and acceptability in the west. But, the reason I am writing this, is not only to point out corruption in the encyclopedia approach to the article, but to also state, that the people who edited this in here, and all such growing vested interests people on Wikipedia, must be banned from Wikipedia permanently. I have seen far to many facts "edited" out and changed to reflect viewpoints of certain parties since Wikipedia went on a professional content basis, as professionals represent information that their groups and organisation want to be thought of as fact, rather than neutral fact. Hence, dyed and white washed articles. This is on subject of the authenticity of Wikipedia in this article. This is an opinion, for legal purposes.

49.197.92.8 (talk) 16:18, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

The given information about minimum marriage age completely differs with PEW Research report. https://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2016/09/FT_Marriage_Age_Appendix_2016_09_08.pdf 08:11, 19 December 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vijayanpn (talk • contribs)

Love pathership

Pathership 202.51.92.123 (talk) 02:44, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Norway

Norway actually passed the law that prohibits under-18 year olds to marry, and those who got married under 18 can dissolve their marriage or it will be dissolved by a county judge 70.131.48.188 (talk) 13:28, 4 December 2022 (UTC). Source: https://www.regjeringen.no/en/historical-archive/solbergs-government/Ministries/bld/news/2018/endringer-i-ekteskapsloven-fra-1.-juli/id2606465/

Marriageable Age is a matter of contention in ISLAM.

But marriageable age in Islam is still a matter of huge disagreement among scholars based on the Quranic verse 65:4, which clearly states one can marry any woman who doesn't have reached menstruation yet LINK LINK 2. The Permanent Committee for Scholarly Research and IFTA (Saudi Arab) states that anyone can marry a woman of any age and have intercourse LINK. Most of the scholars are at one with IFTA based on the verse (65:4). ISLAM DOES NOT IMPOSE ANY EXPLICIT AGE LIMIT ON MARRIAGE, ALL WE GET IS SCHOLARS' OWN INTERPRETATION, which also differs a lot.

Some modern day apologists claim man can marry prepubescent woman but CAN NOT have sex, but this is not backed up by any valid islamic reference, and the word "iddah/waiting period" is used in the context of intercourse, so one cant have marriage without sex and/or "iddah" without sex. Sapiens.hossain (talk) 11:17, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

@Sapiens.hossain

Using a modern day fatwa on a section about the golden age is inaccurate. The fatwa you used doesn't say relations can take place at any age rather when its safe and this does seem to backed by islamic sources.

Fatwa also arent reliable source here on wikipedia so they can't be used. Also mentioning the fatwa and saying its from Saudi Arabia doesn't make it reliable as the age one can get married in Saudi Arabia is 18 now.

Also discuss here first before you make another edit on the matter or you will be reported. Barbardo (talk) 16:59, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

FIRSTLY , DO U HAVE ANY SPECIAL INCLINATION OR FAVOUR FOR THE TOPIC? Because I DID CHANGE THE SECTION LATER, it was placed in the relavant section BUT u reverted it, WHY?

Secondly, I added enough reference for my statement, FATWA is relavant and USED for CONTENTOUS topic such as this. Even the Quranic VERSE CLEARLY states ONE CAN MARRY AT ANY AGE!! What is ur problem there? U reverted everything altogether!! Also two famous site for FIQH/JURISPRUDENCE was added as reference. Did u even read that? The Quranic verse ALONE is EXPLICIT that woman can marry even if she is immature (not reached menarchy). Do you know all these?

U said, "The fatwa you used doesn't say relations can take place at any age rather when its safe and this does seem to backed by islamic sources"

Did u give it a good read? where does it say those words? Below is an exceprt frm IFTA.

In fact, immature girls are included under the category: ...and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their ‘Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death].

Other two references are not FATWA, they are just opinions of all the scholars. And MOST OF THE SCHOLARS ARE AT ONE that WOMAN CAN MARRY AT ANY AGE, the only point of contention is "sex". Some modern day apologists claim man can marry prepubescent woman but CAN NOT have sex, but this is not backed up by any valid islamic reference, and the word "iddah/waiting period" is used in the context of intercourse, so one cant have marriage without sex and/or "iddah" without sex

(BTW I can also report you, if need be...) Sapiens.hossain (talk) 22:52, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

@Sapiens.hossain

These sources all come from fatwa sites you gave three references that arent reliable here and don't fit the standards.

So far you have been adding your own interpretation as iddah means a period when a divorce happens and clearly have a agenda here and you haven't even use academic sources and have been edit warring when its clearly up for dispute so don't threaten me about reporting me.

This whole section is not even sourced and is entirely your own opinion and interpretation

"Most of the scholars are at one with IFTA based on the verse (65:4).

Some modern day apologists claim man can marry prepubescent woman but CAN NOT have sex, but this is not backed up by any valid islamic reference, and the word "iddah/waiting period" is used in the context of intercourse, so one cant have marriage without sex and/or "iddah" without sex."

There is no consensus on the issue or that the harm factor is modern day apologist claim when even the islam qa fatwa you gave said otherwise and that it was backed by islamic scripture.

While the IFTA fatwa didnt even mention intercourse being allowed at any age? Barbardo (talk) 23:45, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

I am pretty sure u must have some agenda, because there are two references right there in the same section which ALSO DOESNT FIT THE WIKI STANDARD, they used newspaper articles. It proves either you dont read things well or have an agenda.

You also dont know how FATWA works, Only A MUFTI can give fatwa, and is considered valid in Islam. The Permanent Committee for Scholarly Research and IFTA is highly respected and referenced wordlwide, including two other QnA sites, but you approve newspapers there!!

We even dont need those references, QURAN itself IS CLEAR, I SAY AGAIN, clearly mentions woman can marry AT ANY AGE, and THERE IS NO, I REPEAT - NO DISAGREEMENT on this that Quran doesnt set an age limit on marriage. You will be in trouble if its taken to a third-party for dispute.

Have you ever read the Quran? OK tell me what it means here - "And those women from among you who have despaired of (further) menstruation, if you are in doubt, their ‘iddah is three months, as well as of those who have not yet menstruated" (65:4)

I am sure due to lack of basic Islamic knowledge and due-dilligence, you couldnt figure out that EXPLICIT verse which says WOMAN CAN MARRY even she has NOT reached her manerchy/menstruation. You also seem to jumble up Puberty and Marriage age. A woman can marry at any age BUT she has to reach puberty (as other verse states). Now she can reach puberty at ANY AGE. So you dont need extra reference when the Quran is very clear. Have you ever read any Quranic exegesis? What does this verse say?

The reason I added those references is not to validate age issue, which is clear but for those who DO NOT KNOW (like you). The famous QnA site also mentions opinions of all the scholars to have a good understanding. Almost all the scholars refer to these sites nowadays.

The only problem of contention is the Puberty, because it can vary person to person and some claim you can marry but cant have sex. SO ALL THE SCHOLARS, I MEAN ALL , agree to the fact there is NO AGE LIMIT on marriage in ISLAM (except for you). You are actually misreprenting Islam for some reason.

IDDAH means waiting period, which means waiting to check if a woman is pregnant and to get pregnant you need intercourse. Given that is it possible to have an "Iddah without intercourse", that easily solves the second question. You dont even need other reference. Quran itself answers these, unles you have basic understanding and reasoning. How more explicit can it be? Sapiens.hossain (talk) 08:22, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Fatwa sites arent reliable on wikipedia unless if they are mentioned in a academic report or book you gave three links all three were from a fatwah sites one was from islam qa and one from dartul ifta birmingham while one was fatwa was linked to saudi arabian website.

The previous references used in the section if they dont fit wikipedia standards can be removed I didnt place them there that still doesnt mean you can add more unreliable links. Also which references are you talking about? The News articles were only used to report that Saudi arabia ended child marriage by banning it while the rest of the references were from books and one from britannica.

Your making claims that arent backed and are unfounded by saying all muslim scholars visit the site iskam wa it which isnt true.

The dartul Ifta birmingham link doesnt mention anything in regards to sex while neither did the IFTA fatwa while only islam qa did and said it can only be done if its not harmful where did you get the notion some scholars disagreed when no such information was mentioned in the fatwas you gave?

Iddah can also happen if the couple are alone together the marriage doesn't need to be consummated for it to count as iddah in this case Barbardo (talk) 13:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

HAVE U EVER READ THE QURAN? what does the verse mean?

"And those women from among you who have despaired of (further) menstruation, if you are in doubt, their ‘iddah is three months, as well as of those who have not yet menstruated" (65:4)

SO BASED ON THE VERSE ABOVE, ARE U SAYING WOMAN CANT MARRY AT ANY AGE, is that right? Are you saying A WOMAN who hasnt reached Menarche CANT MARRY?

U SAID, "Iddah can also happen if the couple are alone together the marriage doesn't need to be consummated for it to count as iddah in this case"

Did you read what I SAID BEFORE. U dont even know the purpose of IDDAH.

IDDAH = Check if woman is pregnant = Sex (U cant be pregnant without intercourse)

U dont even need reference, Quran is explicit. If the All-knowing had wanted to mean a IDDAH without sexual relationship, he would have clarifed in different words separately, bcoz that is a crucial issue. He would NOT have used the WORD INTERCHANGEABLY IN THE SAME SENTENCE!!! WITH DIFFERENT MEANINGS, which you are doing here.

Its like saying "U can marry" but dont have any bond, "marriage" means having a bond, and having sex. If I mean to the contray, I will explicitly say it. Sapiens.hossain (talk) 22:41, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Well there was a ruling that sats iddah also counts when couples are alone together.

Address the points raised before none of the three fatwas you gave said intercourse is allowed at any age nand you made a point that had no references and said the harm factor is not backed by islamic scripture. Barbardo (talk) 04:08, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Sudan

Article says: ""Sudan: Puberty, with requirement for willing consent of both parties. http://www.law.emory.edu/IFL/legal/sudan.htm""""

Conflicting reports, this scource says it's 18 http://www.interpol.int/Public/Children/SexualAbuse/NationalLaws/Csasudan.pdf

EDIT: Same for Brunei

Article: "Brunei: No minimum marriage age specified. http://www.law.emory.edu/IFL/legal/brunei.htm"

18 here: http://www.interpol.int/Public/Children/SexualAbuse/NationalLaws/Csabrunei.pdf

@FartyFartyPoopyPants: Remember to sign your posts. Also, to use bracket links instead of bare URLs. — LlywelynII 21:34, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

WP:SCOPE/WP:TOPIC

Previously the section on ancient Greece had the separate paragraph

In ancient Athens, both husband and wife had the power to initiate a divorce. The husband simply had to send his wife back to her father to end the marriage.<ref name="Cohn-Haft 1995 1">{{cite journal|last=Cohn-Haft|first=Louis|year=1995|title=Divorce in Classical Athens|journal=The Journal of Hellenic Studies|volume=115|pages=1–14|doi=10.2307/631640|jstor=631640|s2cid=161594618 }}</ref>

I mean, ok, interesting and all. Entirely off topic in this article, though. — LlywelynII 21:34, 4 March 2024 (UTC)