Talk:Marnus Labuschagne

Pronunciation

How do you pronounce his name? It would be helpful to include that in the article. StAnselm (talk) 19:14, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

OK, I found a reference, and tried to put it into IPA. StAnselm (talk) 00:44, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

I know how to pronounce it.. I have no idea how to write the middle part phonetically --Biscuit1018 (talk) 06:41, 30 September 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Biscuit1018 (talk • contribs) 06:39, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

I did three years of linguistics at University, including phonetics and phonology. Furthermore, my mother and maternal grandparents are from South Africa. Whoever did that phonetic transcription is 100% spot on. Comes.amanuensis (talk) 11:51, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Relationship to Pieter (Lappies) Labaschagne

I question that Marnus is the brother of Lappies. The readsport reference is wrong.

Two reasons
1. It is contradicted by https://10daily.com.au/news/sport/a190928iwxmv/massive-rugby-world-cup-upset-as-japan-beats-ireland-the-worlds-number-two-team-20190928 "And in case you're wondering, 10 daily contacted Cricket Australia, who told us that to the best of their knowledge, Labuschagne is no relation to Aussie cricketer Marnus who did so well in the Ashes."
2. Marnus was 10 when his parents left for Australia. Pieter would then have been 14 and he never went to Aus, instead playing rugby in SA until he was 27. So either his parents left him behind or readsport got it wrong.

If noone objects I am going to delete that sentence in a couple of days --Biscuit1018 (talk) 06:40, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Biscuit1018 (talk • contribs) 06:37, 30 September 2019 (UTC) 

Deletion agreed - my mistake. MrArmstrong2 (talk) 15:57, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 December 2019

Hello. By the way, please can someone add these words in. 'Labuschagne also scored a century against New Zealand at Optus Stadium in Perth. That was his 3rd test century in a row. NANIYEETUS (talk) 04:56, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

 Note: This article is no longer Semi-Protected, so you can now edit the article yourself, but please ensure that any additions are properly sourced, to reliable sources and you maintain a neutral point of view - Arjayay (talk) 17:47, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

References

Nicknames

This seems to be causing an ongoing issue with stuff being added continually. The infobox documentation says:

The player's common nickname. This must be frequently used by reliable sources in reference to the subject per MOS:NICKCRUFT. This would be the case for players such as Ian Botham or Ricky Ponting or, possibly, John Crawley whose nickname appears in his CricInfo profile. In particular note that MOS:BIO says that "a sports journalist's one-off reference to a player [using a name] does not constitute a nickname, and treating it as one is original research".

Are any of the nicknames we have for Labuschagne is absolutely common usage beyond occasionally use by teammates or commentators? Do they come anywhere close to Beefy, Punter or Creepy? If they do, can we cite them in such a way that we can show that? Currently the section is causing so many issues that I'd suggest we simply delete the parameter and then continue to delete it each time anything is added without a reliable reference showing that a nickname meets the criteria above. Blue Square Thing (talk) 09:44, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

I agree with the above proposal. Most of the nicknames people have tried to add have been not terribly clever mangulations of his non-Anglo name. Typically one-offs. Rapid deletion seems a sensible approach. HiLo48 (talk) 10:11, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Anyone else with a view on this? Blue Square Thing (talk) 10:16, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

No-one? I'll remove the section entirely soon unless someone objects... Blue Square Thing (talk) 00:49, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

• Ongoing disruption on this, as it was months ago. I've requested indefinite semi-protection. 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 03:33, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

And a mass attack of unsourced stats changes..... 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 03:41, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

So, gone ahead and removed the nickname parameter. That might help a little at least. I've also reverted stats to their source version - I know it's tempting to update the stats yourself, but if Wisdom, CricInfo or CricketArchive don't do so then I'd think there has to be a pretty good reason for that - in particular, I'll note that the stats changes were incomplete and didn't include the six balls he bowled during the match; this is precisely what happens when stats are updated using original research Blue Square Thing (talk) 08:15, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, Blue Square Thing. 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 15:42, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

International Career

Hello everyone,

if nobody minds I'm going to go ahead and order his international career by series. Currently the regular updates to the page (including his recent highest-score against New Zealand) are causing stylistic problems with the formatting.

I could either do subtitles for each series (probably level 4 headings) or paragraph and re-order the prose without them.

Any objections or requests?

AdamWilson.History (talk) 11:02, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

I would probably avoid too many subtitles if you could please. It causes a range of issues - it's more important that we take a summary style overview of his career. It's harder with a player who has only played a fairly limited number of matches, but it's worth trying. For example, I think Steve Smith (cricketer) has a number of issues caused by small sections, recentism (that gets out of date) and generally breaking up the flow of his career - 22 sections/sub-sections about his international career). Adam Gilchrist, which is a featured article fwiw, does things better - it helps that Gilchrist's career is over of course, but that only has 8 sub-sections within the one international section - despite him playing for longer than Smith and playing more matches.

Not that the Smith article doesn't need sections - obviously the whole ball-tampering thing needs its own section as does return to cricket. But in my view there are far too many sub-sections on his article.

But, yeah, I'd avoid too many sub-headings for sure - and each series sub-headings are, in my (strongly held) view, a bit of a disaster. Blue Square Thing (talk) 11:48, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice - I agree. If the article gets really long (and it no doubt will as his career/life progresses) we can retrospectively add some subtitles for important events but otherwise the headings will stack up and make it pretty much unreadable.

AdamWilson.History (talk) 11:02, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

all-rounder

Why is he called an all-rounder? Most sources in the article seem to call a batsman. Adpete (talk) 04:43, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi. The source which is cited in the infobox gives his role as a Batting all-rounder. He has, in the past at least, bowled fairly regularly and taken quite a lot of wickets. I think he's best known for his batting, for sure - but then he's been ranked in the top four Test batsmen over the last couple of years - so the article will tend to focus on his batting. As a result we tend to go with the source. Blue Square Thing (talk) 09:12, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

I admit I missed that the cricinfo link [1] called him a batting all-rounder. Personally I would rank references like Wisden [2] [3] and BBC [4] higher - especially that second Wisden one, which appears to be his cricketer of the year article. I also think we should look at sources in general, not just his cricinfo profile. But since it's there in cricinfo, my objection is relatively mild. Adpete (talk) 11:17, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

I think he probably used to bowl more. Those CI profiles can sometimes be a bit out of date. I'll try and find time to look at the refs properly in the next couple of weeks and maybe we move away from that. Blue Square Thing (talk) 00:30, 15 January 2021 (UTC)