Talk:Mark Hammett

GA on hold

I have reviewed this article according to the GA criteria. I am going to put this article on hold for seven days until the following items are fixed. The article could also use some further expansion to meet the broad requirement. See if you can add a mini biography of his early life or any other sections that you think are relevant.

1. Expand the lead or split into two paragraphs. Look to WP:LEAD for examples and guidelines.
2. The Playing career section needs to be split into more specific sections, as this makes the article not look very broad which is one of the criterion for the GA to pass.

• Hopefully what I have done is acceptable. - Shudda ^talk 08:53, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

1. "Hammett became a founding member of the side, which struggled in the inaugural Super 12 finishing in last place .[2][3]" Remove extra space before the period.

• Done. - Shudda ^talk 08:36, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

1. Wikilink: round-robin, All Blacks call-up, tries, neck injury

• I have wiki-linked neck and injury separately. I rewrote the sentence with call-up into something else (call-up is not in wikipedia, and I can't find an appropriate equivalent article).

1. Reword or elaborate on this sentence: "Wellington won the final however, and the opportunity was lost."

• Hopefully I've done this, probably makes more sense in the context of the previous sentence. - Shudda ^talk 08:53, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

1. "Hammett's 2001 Super 12 season was marred by injury, and the Crusaders eventually finished tenth." What type of injury?

• Done - Shudda ^talk 01:07, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

1. "Hammett will now assist Robbie Deans for the 2007 season." If the 2007 season has already started, change it to "now assists". If not applicable, ignore.

--Nehrams2020 04:31, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

GA passed

I have passed this article according to the GA criteria. Good job on fixing all of the above suggestions. Keep looking for new information when it come available to help the article keep its high quality and make sure all new information that is added is properly cited. Keep up the good work and look to other articles to nominate for GA status. Consider helping with the current GAC backlog as well. --Nehrams2020 01:25, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Mark Hammett/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. A number of non-essential suggestions are given below as pointer to improve the article. The article history has been updated to reflect this review. Regards,--Jackyd101 (talk) 18:20, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

• It is reasonably well written.

  a (prose): b (MoS):

Prose is pretty good, probably an 7/10.

• It is factually accurate and verifiable.

  a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

• It is broad in its coverage.

  a (major aspects): b (focused):

I'd like to see more about his parentage, childhood and personal life. This is totally missing from the article and requires improvement. Was he ever in the media regarding his personal life?, Is he married? See Brian Urlacher for a good example of how such a section could be presented.--Jackyd101 (talk) 18:20, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

The article needs updating for 2008. As he is no longer an active player it is not so serious that the article might be delisted at this stage, but nevertheless it has to be kept up to date.--Jackyd101 (talk) 18:20, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

• It follows the neutral point of view policy.

  a (fair representation): b (all significant views):

• It is stable.

  

• It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.

  a (tagged and captioned): b (lack of images does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):

• Overall:

  a Pass/Fail:

Personal life

Although I only passed this article at GAR recently, I'm afraid that I made an error and the article should have been placed on hold. The problem is that this article does not have any information on its subject's life outside their sporting career. After a discussion (linked below) on this issue, it was agreed that such information is mandatory for a GA and therefore it will have to be incorporated into the article. I have provided a guide to assist in the development of this information within the article and will wait seven days. If no action has been taken at the end of that period, then I will begin another formal Good Article Reassessment based around this issue (although any new problems or old ones missed during the original review may be raised as well at that time). The relevant wikiproject will be notified and the article will have another seven days in which work on this problem must have begun or it will face delisting. Anyone genuinely trying to solve the problem will be granted as much time as needed, and anyone who disputes the process or outcome of the review is welcome to take it to WP:GAR for wider community comment. Regards --Jackyd101 (talk) 23:33, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Personal life guide

In order for an article on a sports person to qualify for GA, it must contain information on their life outside sports (per this discussion). This can be incorporated into the article in a number of ways, of which the most common (but by no means the only) is to provide two sections. One immediately under the introduction that describes the person's early life prior to their sporting career, and a second after their career to date is described, that covers non-sporting information during their career (and possibly afterwards). These sections should be formed of at least one (and preferably more) complete paragraphs of several sentences, written in readable prose and properly referenced to reliable sources. A good example of this can be seen at Brian Urlacher.

For some sports people (e.g. David Beckham), their life outside of their sporting career is a significant part of their notability: these are special cases which have to be dealt with individually. However, the non-sporting life of all sports persons, alive or dead, is relevant and important to their article - these are biographies, not descriptions solely of their sporting achievements.

Examples of what to include (this list is by no means exhaustive, neither is it a checklist. Not all of this information has to be included, just anything that applies to the person in question):

• In early life, it would be useful to describe the date and place of their birth, their parentage and family background, their experiences growing up and the places in which they grew up, schools they attended, youth teams they played for, and any significant events in their lives that affected them.
• Personal life should always include information on their family: wife and children. Not the kind of information that would violate BLP (particularly where it applies to children: we shouldn't be told where they go to school for example!) but enough so that we can understand the family of the article's subject. Similarly, many contemporary sports people are famous for relationships that do not end in marriage: relationship speculation often appears in the media and if significant enough can appear in the article.
• Negative stuff: drug problems (both sporting and recreational), illegal activities (including fighting and driving offences), gambling problems, extra-martial affairs, becoming victims of robbery or attack, racist abuse (both from and against) and other possibly unsavoury incidents (this is not to suggest that this particular sports person has done any of these things, this is a guide for sports people in general). No Original Research please! All allegations must have appeared in the mainstream media before they can appear here and must be appropriately cited to a reliable source. Significant unproven or unfounded allegations should also be included: see Tony Parker for an example of how these should be dealt with.
• Positive stuff: many sports personalities do charity work - this is not always widely published, but can appear on club websites and similar. Sports people are often an advocates for, supporters of or opponents of charities, advocacy groups or social and political movements: this applies both to issues within sports (cheating, drugs etc.) and outside (disease, gang violence, drugs etc.) and is usually an interesting insight into a person's character.
• Most sports people have other forms of income. This can take the form of a second (or sometimes a "day") job (e.g. Bobby Charlton was once an electrical fitter and Rory Underwood a fighter pilot). Many sports people have investments in businesses, shares and products, which, if reported, are often significant aspects of their lives outside sport. Likewise, their endorsements, advertisements and sponsors are important: what products do/have they endorsed, what advertisments have they appeared in and in which media. In addition, information about any books they have published, TV appearances made and any work as newspaper or blog correspondants are important additions.
• Sports persons can also appear in the media for a range of reasons that have noting to do with the above: car crashes, housing problems and professional feuds are among the many issues that may have made the news and might merit inclusion.

As mentioned, this list is far from exhaustive and neither is everything on it essential: its more a guide providing ideas for research into the person's life outside sports. For any contemporary or recent sports person, google should provide enough to develop a basic section and for older ones, news articles and books can give plenty of information about their personal lives.

Some sports people are known for a determination to keep their private life private and it may be that very little information can be found about them. In such cases, there will be sources discussing their reluctance to release details about their private life and these can be used as sources in a paragraph talking about their efforts to avoid publicity.--Jackyd101 (talk) 23:33, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Following further discussion, I will hold off on conducting a new review for now, but this may well come up in future. Please improve the article as soon as possible.--Jackyd101 (talk) 00:17, 6 February 2009 (UTC)