Talk:Marion Graves Anthon Fish

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I noted other characters of the Gilded Age who were famous as wives of the wealthy had their own articles, such as Alva Belmont and Caroline Astor, so this seemed appropriate. Be warned: Many sources about "Mamie" are rife with POV problems and a bias towards the salacious; proceed with caution.

I would love if anyone found a picture of Mamie available for our use. LTC (Ret.) David J. Cormier (talk) 18:05, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Name of article

Following MOS:ARTICLETITLE, it would seem that the appropriate title for this article is Mrs. Stuyvesant Fish (MrsSF), which was much more recognizable than Marion Graves Anthon Fish or Marion Fish or Mamie Fish. During her lifetime, she was far more commonly called MrsSF in print than anything else, and she is hardly ever called by her full name, MGAF. In the past couple of decades, Mamie has become almost as common as MrsSF according to nGrams. Some other possibilities are Marion "Mamie" Fish or Mamie Stuyvesant Fish, but they seem contrary to the MOS.

Though the Mrs. + husband's name form is antiquated and sexist, it is in fact the name by which this person is best known. We do have precedents: Mrs. Bartle Teeling, Mrs. Bernard Beere, Mrs. Lovett Cameron, Mrs. Julian Heath, et al.

In the meantime, I daresay that very few readers will recognize the title Marion Graves Anthon Fish, so I'll add her husband's name in the Short Description.

Thoughts? --Macrakis (talk) 16:25, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Though I don't know who added that 'Mrs.' name usage, I rephrased the sentence to put the name into context. Thi smight need to be revisited. Thank you for bringing it to my attention! LTC (Ret.) David J. Cormier (talk) 20:10, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]