Talk:Mariana Trench Marine National Monument

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Jurisdiction?

Is this all within the area of Guam controled by the US? We can't just declare national monuments outside of our own territory, after all.209.131.62.115 (talk) 07:16, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The monument lies in and around the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, which is an insular area ("possession") of the United States with status comparable to Puerto Rico. The NMI are "Northern" specifically to distinguish them from Guam, which is a separate political and territorial entity even though it is the southernmost of the geographic Mariana Islands. The monument does not lie in any part in the territory of Guam.

The US has several times declared protected areas (this and a few other national monuments, as well as national marine sanctuaries) that go beyond our "territorial" waters to the limits of our "exclusive economic zone". (A summary of these international law terms is given in the article United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.) In any event, the monument doesn't extend beyond these zones of US authority into fully international waters, nor into the zones attaching to other nations. Ipoellet (talk) 19:22, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Name of monument

Will people please stop moving/renaming this article without providing support, first, and I suppose also seeking consensus here, about what the name is. You might be right, but you have to show it. doncram (talk) 07:00, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Official name

It looks like this is a revisit from an issue from about eight years ago (I see in "Name of monument" above, someone taking issue with some apparent moves).

An IP editor requested that the page be moved as an uncontroversial technical request: [1]. The basis for the move is that the web page for the Monument uses "Marinara" instead of "Marinaras".

However, as the article notes, "The actual text of the proclamation establishing it gives it the official name Marianas Trench Marine National Monument." That proclamation is Presidential Proclamation no. 8335, Establishment of the Marianas Trench Marine National Monument (Jan. 6, 2009).

The operative statement giving it its official name is on page 2: "NOW, THEREFORE, I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, by the authority vested in me by section 2 of the Antiquities Act do proclaim that there are hereby set apart and reserved as the Marianas Trench Marine National Monument..."

When I pointed this out to the admin who implemented the RM, he reverted the move; at the very least, it cannot be seen as an uncontroversial technical move.

In the absence of any indication that the name has officially changed (as opposed to what a webmaster put on a web site), I think it should stay under "Marianas". TJRC (talk) 21:33, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]