Talk:Margaret Nygard/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: BennyOnTheLoose (talk · contribs) 10:43, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Happy to discuss, or be challenged on, any of my review comments. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 10:43, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Very happy to be collaborating with you again and looking forward to improving the article. SusunW (talk) 12:15, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

• Copyvio check - I reviewed all matches above 7.5% found using Earwig's Copyvio Detector. No concerns. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:12, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

• Images - all PD or CC. Suitable images. Captions, positioning and Alt text all OK. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:12, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Early life and education

• Which variant of English is being used in this article? "middle-school" may be suitable in some variants, but in British English, secondary school would, I think, be more appropriate. (There are some template options under "See also" at at Template:EngvarB)

Well now here's the deal. I know British people who have lived abroad for a lifetime and they usually retain that manner of speech and writing style. So, I asked Ian to "Britishise" it. Ian, on the other hand, thinks that since she spent most of her life in Canada and the US, it should be in AE. Thus, a quandary. I've changed it to secondary schooling. SusunW (talk) 18:41, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

• "During The Blitz" - is The Blitz a generally familiar term? Optionally, consider adding a few words to say something about what and when it was.

Hmmm, it is to me, but probably better to say what it is to assist readers.  Done SusunW (talk) 18:41, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Career

• "completed her PhD with her work on Froude from Berkeley in 1960" - maybe reword, e.g. "her PhD, with her work on Froude, from Berkeley in 1960" or "her PhD from Berkeley, with her work on Froude from Berkeley, in 1960"?

 Done SusunW (talk) 18:41, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

• "A chemical spill from a traffic accident shortly after they moved killed a large number of fish in the river and led the couple into environmental activism, but they had already been active in protests against the Vietnam War." - maybe put their Vietnam War protest first, and expand slightly on the spill and their activism; the current phrasing almost looks like the chemical spill directly caused their activism, like it killed the fish.

I've switched it around. Better? SusunW (talk) 18:41, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

• Could wikilink to Durham, North Carolina at the first instance of "City of Durham"

 Done SusunW (talk) 18:41, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

• "One of the first threats was when the City of Durham, accepted" - looks like a stray comma.

deleted SusunW (talk) 18:41, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

• "Early efforts of the activists were not welcomed, and they were accused of trying to block modern progress" - looks like we could add a little detail about who didn't welcome the efforts. (e.g. "local newspapers and buisnessmen" are mentioned in the Earth Cares annual with respect to 1965)

 Done SusunW (talk) 18:41, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

• "glass plate negatives of photographer Hugh Mangum" - "glass plate negatives by photographer Hugh Mangum"?

 Done SusunW (talk) 18:41, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

• "When that found opposition" - optionally, add a word, e.g. "When that proposal found opposition"

 Done SusunW (talk)

• "Nygard and other association members took members of the planning commission to walk and canoe along the river for several months" - it's possible, from the source, that the members were walking and conoeing for several months, but I think it's more likely that it was something that happened across several months. So maybe "For several months, Nygard and other association members took members of the planning commission to walk and canoe along the river ,"?

OMG, this made me laugh so hard. Thank you!  Done SusunW (talk) 18:41, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

• "to the advocacy of the Eno River Association's activism" - maybe ""to the advocacy of the Eno River Association's activists" or ""to the advocacy of the Eno River Association."?

 Done SusunW (talk) 19:38, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

• "She was known for her dedication to the river and for her gentle but steely resolve to protect it" - The source also has "most of us know a good bit less about the Fitches and the Nygards" (p.1D), so would it be better to qualify this to the author's own description; or add further support from source(s)?

She was repeatedly described as self-effacing but determined:

"Soft-spoken and modest, Nygard seems an unlikely mastermind behind the actions of thousands of citizens…in her own unassuming way, she has been able to reach a wide range of citizens rarely united by more conventional leaders….She routinely refers to her efforts as "us". But others credit her with providing the strategy behind all the diverse and disparate elements…It’s Margaret who has the fine sense of purpose". Herndon, p 158

"She worked seven days a week, often 15 hours a day…she was totally dedicated to the Eno River and establishing a park". Dickinson , (1995) p 2

"Margaret Nygard of Durham whose drive and passion almost single-handedly saved the river from encroachment". Earley, p 9

I'll just add additional citations if that works for you. SusunW (talk) 19:38, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I think adding the first of these and one of the others would be sufficient. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:01, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

•  Done SusunW (talk) 21:08, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Awards and honours

• Seems fine.

Death and legacy

• Seems fine.

Sources

• No issues with the quality of the sources. Spot checks were generally fine; a couple of queries are above.

Infobox and lead

• "Ph.D" should be "PhD" per MOS:ABBR. Could be wikilinked in the lead and body. (Unless you feel it's already a well-enough known term)

fixed and linked SusunW (talk) 19:38, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

• Is "Fighting off developers" a suitable description of the groups's activity? Otherwise, lead looks good.

I changed it to say "Taking actions to increase awareness of conservation and stop developers". If that works, then  Done SusunW (talk) 19:38, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your work on the article, SusunW. It's a valuable addition to Wikipedia. I've got a few minor comments, and might reply back after your responses. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:36, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much for reviewing it BennyOnTheLoose. I've commented above. Please ping me if you have further suggestions or comments. I genuinely appreciate your looking at her. SusunW (talk) 19:38, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the comprehensive responses, SusunW. Just the couple of additonal citations to be added, I think. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:01, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

With that done, I'm passing this for GA as I'm satisfied that it meets the critera. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:27, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.