Talk:Margaret Audley, Duchess of Norfolk

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Family name

Nearly all nonwiki sites and printed resources concerning this lady use her family or maiden name. For posterity and identity I believe Wiki should conform to the same. I have seen many other Wiki examples of using the married name and I realize that it was indeed contemporary etiquette and understand the argument that Wiki is not intended as a genealogical database but many peers are notable solely on who they were, who they came from, and who, if any, they brought into the world. Articles such as this one Margaret Audley, Duchess of Norfolk are constantly redirected or moved to one where the married name is used. Again, in most cases, I believe it would be prudent for Wiki to use the family or maiden name. Daytrivia (talk) 03:53, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn't agree more. It's particularly frustrating in cases where there is no redirect from the maiden name and in those where the woman was married twice (as here) and yet has her biography under the name of her most senior husband.

I don't like, however, using names such as "Margaret Audley, Duchess of Norfolk" since she became Margaret Howard when she became Duchess of Norfolk. I would prefer using "Margaret Audley" as the title of her article. Jameslwoodward (talk) 13:52, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Corrections

Hello @Sbishop I was looking at the correction you made to an anonymous user who posted about Margaret Audley's religion and to my knowledge, she was Catholic. Yes, Thomas Audley could have been a follower of the Anglican reform, but Margaret was Catholic and one of the most visible proofs is the fact that the Dispensation had to be requested from the Roman Holy See to validate her marriage to Thomas Howard. Leito.Cmj (talk) 22:41, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Dispensation was requested by Howard, yes, and for this he sent his lawyers to Rome, but it was to marry her based on Catholic Canon Law. Leito.Cmj (talk) 22:43, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but that doesn't prove she was herself Catholic. As this was in the reign of Mary I, they had no option but to be married using Catholic rites, and so needed to get the dispensation - they could hardly be married as Protestants while Mary was on the throne. Once Mary died that all changed. Sbishop (talk) 08:16, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. Well, she will have been a Protestant, disguised as a Catholic so as not to attract attention in the government of Queen Mary, but Howard yes was a Catholic and that is more than proven. Leito.Cmj (talk) 08:39, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, he certainly was, but there is no actual evidence that she was - and her family background suggests that she probably wasn't. The reality is that she probably just did what was nececessary at the time, whatever that might have been during her years of growing up.Sbishop (talk) 11:47, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Sbishop, regarding the last correction: if the inhabitants of Framlingham hid their objects in the Church it was because of the fear that the rebellion of 1745 would reach that area, but it is only an oral tradition not supported by archives and historical sources and very good to correct me that. Leito.Cmj (talk) 16:43, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]