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Laveol, please cite sources about your opinion. Why would anyone described her as Macedonian heroine, and not Bulgarian? Were there any other persons described as Moesian or Dobrudjan, or Thracian? 89.205.14.116 (talk) 21:17, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're putting undue weight on a speculation. It's clearly intended to mean she was Bulgarian, but you want this just to show your agenda. And since you're a well known POV pusher (and vandal since we're on it) this will not do. Go cry for help on mkpedia again. --Laveol ^T 21:26, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please IP, explain your edits. 09:05, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Mara Buneva as Ethnic Macedonian?

This is a brand new issue, but it needs reliable sources, not just blind reverts. Please, provide them before attacking this article with such strange view. Thanks. Jingiby (talk) 15:51, 14 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Jingiby I've decided to open this conversation in order to avoid any 3RR breaks (since it's on the second revert now).

I've cited a concrete Wikipedia policy/guideline as to why the image should not be included in this article. In my opinion your argument against it is whataboutism (and I do not mean this in any pejorative way, I want to get that out of the way immediatly).

Furthermore I'd like to address the fact that in the image media data, there is a spelling mistake which may or may not mislead (i.e "Skppje" in the description), as well as the fact that the source is a dead link.

Part from the image itself, I'd like to voice my concern that the its' description in the article does not semble NPOV. Best regards. Kluche (talk) 09:15, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I understand your concern, but I don't think this image, which has been here since 2014 and nobody has challenged it so far, to be a threat to the neutrality of the article. Greetings. Jingiby (talk) 12:51, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jingiby, you might have misunderstood my comment - I dispute the neutrality of the formulation of the in-article caption. Regarding the image itself (not the caption, the image), I've cited a guideline (MOS:IMAGEQUALITY) which I think is violated by the image.

Just because it has not been challenged doesn't mean the inclusion of the image in the article right.

I hope this clears out some misunderstandings. Regards. Kluche (talk) 13:58, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Since I do not think we will reach an agreement on this issue, I recommend that you turn to alternative methods of reaching consensus as Wikipedia:Third opinion, etc. Greetings. Jingiby (talk) 14:02, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Buneva as a heroine in RNM

Hi User:Идеологист, the article, based on sources, explicitly states that neither official state or municipal authorities nor historians in Skopje accept Buneva as a heroine. The fact that marginal groups of ultra-nationalists spread false claims about her does not mean that the public, the institutions or the historical circles in North Macedonia support their opinion. Moreover, extant sources describe a widespread disregard or even intolerance for her work there. Jingiby (talk) 18:22, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, it's not that straightforward. Some revisionist historians like Zoran Todorovski also have a good opinion about her. It's also good to note that VMRO-DPMNE also used to honor her. While she shouldn't be mentioned as a heroine in North Macedonia, I think that Bulgarians in North Macedonia honoring her should be mentioned in the lead too, since it's notable enough. Another thing I've noticed is that the view about her in Serbia is completely unsourced. It's not discussed anywhere in the article either. StephenMacky1 (talk) 19:03, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please, provide the sources supporting your opinion. If so, we can add a text confirming that some revisionist historians and some members of DPMNE praise her activity. Thanks. Jingiby (talk) 19:08, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the first Utrinski Vesnik article in the lead says that she was honored by some VMRO-DPMNE members and also contains Todorovski's opinion. This article by Troebst also states: On January 2002, VMRO-DPMNE members unveiled in the centre of Skopje a memorial plaque for Mara Buneva, another suicide-assassin, who killed a high-ranking official from Belgrade in 1928 in Skopje, which was then under Serb authority. I'd include the information personally in the "Legacy" section, but I'm still a bit busy. StephenMacky1 (talk) 19:24, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to clarify that Buneva's plaque was not installed in Skopje in 2002 by members of DPMNE. Such a plate was installed in 2015 and not by DPMNE, but by nationalist marginals. This is an obvious factual error done by Troebst. As far as I can understand from the text of the first article, а long-time members of DPMNE, from the older Bulgarophile leadership, acting 20 years ago, some of whom are not even alive anymore as the extreme Bulgarophile Dosta Dimovska, honored Buneva. I don't think this is relevant fact today, when Buneva's mentor Ivan Mihailov is a thorn in the side of today's DPMNE leadership. Zoran Todorovski himself also died. These claims above are simply memories of the past. Jingiby (talk) 19:31, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The "legacy" section is a collection of memories of the past, which also contains a bit of information about the interwar period and the World War Two period. People having died doesn't exclude their opinion. I think it's even more important and relevant than the information about the nationalist associations, considering their marginal nature. Besides, we don't include only recent information on Wikipedia. StephenMacky1 (talk) 21:36, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, StephenMacky1. Jingiby (talk) 05:01, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]