Talk:Mandy Rice-Davies

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Update?

Does she still live in Israel? Is she still married to Shauli? Any children? The Tel Aviv nightclubs are stated in the past tense, implying that they have all closed down - is that the case? P Cezanne (talk) 18:19, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

...or any other updates on life, work and relationships? 86.155.209.111 (talk) 14:13, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

'Well, he would, wouldn't he'

I believe Lord Astor left his double bed to *Christine Keeler* - it seems likely therefore that in this instance Mandy was telling the truth, and the comment has achieved iconic status based on a false premis.

79.66.108.78 (talk) 19:48, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A novel called "Communism and You"

I have searched the Web to find information on this novel, supposedly written by Rice-Davies, but I didn't find any mention that was not a quotation from this Wikipedia article. So did she really write that novel? GdB (talk) 20:00, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The title of her novel is The Scarlet Thread. I have made a correction in the article. GdB (talk) 13:20, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gender

Shouldn't this read as ACTRESS?AT Kunene (talk) 07:17, 27 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I guess that the article had 'actor' where you thought it should have 'actress'. Which occurrence of 'actor' you object to, I don't know as the word no longer appears in the article. But as a general point, nowadays actresses seem to prefer to be called actors. So her mother (if she's your concern) might well have called herself an actress and she might have been puzzled had she been called an actor; but Bridet Fonda (isyc) might be content with 'actress'. Who knows? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.185.222.59 (talk) 22:10, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Unduly drastic edit

Someone deleted the entire discussion of MRD's involvement with Keeler, Ward, et al -- the whole reason for her noteworthiness in the first place. I have reverted the edit. If there is specific material here that someone wants to correct, please make such a correction, but this time let's please try to use the scalpel rather than the hatchet. Thanks! Nandt1 (talk) 19:01, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

At the moment, MRD doesn't feature at all in Christine Keeler's page. Very odd. 86.133.211.7 (talk) 15:15, 23 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Birthplace

Channel 4 say she was born in Solihull.^[1]

SKY TV say Wales and raised in Solihull.--Egghead06 (talk) 17:55, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

^ [1]

I have had a look at [2]], I am not sure I can find her birth, there is just a chance it might be a Marilyn Davies registered in Llanelly in July-September 1944. PatGallacher (talk) 18:15, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Other sources say Mere, Wiltshire [3][4] Sealman (talk) 17:05, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

On further examination she is probably the Marilyn R Davies whose birth was registered in Mere, Wiltshire in October-December 1944. Do any sources give her mother's maiden name? PatGallacher (talk) 18:27, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Daily Record says born near Llanelli and raised in Solihull. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.84.1.27 (talk) 11:13, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In the 1944 Q4 birth index, there isn't a Marilyn R Davies registered in Llanelli, but there is one registered in Mere. Jim Michael (talk) 09:22, 22 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure there are plenty of Marilyn Davies. It is a common name like most Welsh surnames.

Are you sure the other sources are not just seeing that record and drawing the same conclusion? Did "Rice" even appear on her birth cert.? Mandy didn't.

I plump for Llanelli - why would anyone claim to be from there? Not a glamorous place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MacRusgail (talk • contribs) 18:38, 22 December 2014‎ (UTC)[reply]

Prostitute?

So there was enough evidence that they convicted Stephen Ward of living off of the earnings of her prostitution, but not enough to even mention this as allegations in this article? I'd say it's pretty clear that she was at least accused of this..45Colt 03:40, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

2046

I have moved a sentence from the article to here:

Doubts have been expressed about the veracity of the quote, and no court transcript exists; nor were the words included in records kept by lawyers at the trial. But in her memoirs Rice-Davies insisted that the essence of the quote is accurate, and contemporary newspaper reports support her account, as did an investigation by the Guardian in 2013.^[1]

^ Chris Elliott. "Open door: The readers' editor on why that cheeky Mandy Rice-Davies quote needs no correction". the Guardian.

Because a of a more authoritative report in the same newspaper:

Robertson, Geoffrey (19 December 2014). "Mandy Rice-Davies: fabled player in a very British scandal". the Guardian. Retrieved 14 July 2015.{{cite news}}: CS1 maint: date and year (link)

Geoffrey Robertson contradicts the 2013 report. A transcript does exist and it seems he has partial or full access to it although at the moment it looks as if it may remain secret until 2046, and he has confirmed what was recorded in the official transcript of the trial with regards to this sentence. -- PBS (talk) 20:00, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sir Ivan Lawrence

I have removed the following text from the article:

Extended content
However, in a letter to The Times published on 19 January 2013 Sir Ivan Lawrence QC who was a junior counsel at the committal proceedings claimed that her actual words were "Of course it's not untrue that I have had relations with Lord Astor. I'm not going to perjure myself in court."<Sir Ivan Lawrence - letter to The Times 19 January 2013>

Firstly because it was inserted into a list of British politicians using the phrase, and secondly because on has to question two things. The first is are the relocation of a person writing 50 years after the fact worth including? Secondly the wording seems pompous. It was added by an editor on 6 December 2015 using an IP address only used for this fact, and so unless there are other editors who have read the alleged letter by Sir Ivan Lawrence and an confirm its validity, I do not think it should be in the article. -- PBS (talk) 10:43, 5 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have found a source that explains it from the point of view of the Guardian (perhaps MRDA)

Elliott, Chris (27 January 2013). "Open door: The readers' editor on why that cheeky Mandy Rice-Davies quote needs no correction". the Guardian. Retrieved 5 October 2017.

The piece ends:

Extended content

The quote referred to in Sir Ivan's letter – "It is quite untrue for you to suggest that you have had relations with Lord Astor? – Of course it is not untrue. I am not going to perjure myself in court" – actually appears about a dozen paragraphs before the "he would, wouldn't he?" line in the Guardian's report.

When I contacted Sir Ivan he generously conceded that the contemporaneous reports of the time must be right and that both excerpts of cross-examination are accurate.

One of the cheekier responses in legal history shall stand – one fewer Guardian correction to make.

I do not think that the source needs to be included so I will not reinstate it. However I leave it to others to decide if the Ivan reported quote should be put back in back in as a footnote. But it if is put back in please place it in a more appropriate location in the article. -- PBS (talk) 10:56, 5 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The original text about this issue was addded by user:Wen D House (13 Jan 2013, diff) "While doubts have been expressed about the veracity of the quote (and the resulting reaction from the jury), these have not been substantiated".

This was altered by user:Rachelgoodwin (1 Sep 2014, diff) to "Doubts have been expressed about the veracity of the quote, and no court transcript exists; nor were the words included in records kept by lawyers ar the trial. But in her memoirs Miss Rice-Davies insists the essence of the quote is accurate and contemporary newspaper reports support her account as has at least one more recent newspaper review".

Which was moved by me (16 Jul 2015, diff) into the previous section on this talk page (2046)

--PBS (talk) 11:18, 5 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Updating Image?

Hey so it says she converted to Judaism so it would be nice if her picture represented later faith or at least didn't suggest she was Christian when she was not so, at least not later in life. Does anyone know where there's a good photo of her without a cross? The four I could find on wikimedia commons have one but there are a number on AP images which don't, like this one or this one. I would change it to one of those, but I don't know AP images' policies on wikipedia use and so I don't feel comfortable uploading them to wikimedia commons to use them here. Any suggestions? I'm still new to this so I don't know if I'm doing this right. Thanks! --Kittyluvr42 (talk) 05:53, 31 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

+1. Wondering if someone would do this Editor8778 (talk) 20:28, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Removed the Spartacus citation

The following link leads to a spam page. Should be automatically flagged by someone smarter than me.

^[1] Editor8778 (talk) 20:27, 28 June 2024 (UTC) Editor8778 (talk) 20:27, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Mandy Rice-Davis". Spartacus-educational.com. Retrieved 19 December 2014.

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[2] Chris Elliott. "Open door: The readers' editor on why that cheeky Mandy Rice-Davies quote needs no correction". the Guardian.

[Spartacus-3] "Mandy Rice-Davis". Spartacus-educational.com. Retrieved 19 December 2014.

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