Talk:Mandakini River

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Article states "The Mandakini is also subject to heavy rainfall especially during monsoon season. The annual rainfall within the surrounding region is 1,000–2,000 millimetres (39–79 in) which is elevated almost 170% in monsoon (late July-October)." It is not possible for 170% of annual rainfall to occur in one season! This needs to be reworded. (t · c) buidhe 18:34, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes thank you, but an error on my part! FiertlA (talk) 23:20, 16 November 2020 (UTC)FiertlA

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 02:38, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

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• ... that hundreds of people died during the flooding of the Mandakini River?
• ALT1: ... that thousands of people died during the flooding of the Mandakini River?

Created/expanded by FiertlA (talk). Self-nominated at 10:44, 16 November 2020 (UTC).

• There is currently no article at the target page (Mandakani River). The nomination can continue if an article can be created that meets the requirements, but this does not happen then this must be closed. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 08:54, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

• Nominator fixed the typo in the hook. (The correct article name already appeared everywhere else in the nomination template.) MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 22:56, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

It appears that while a 5x expansion was indeed accomplished, it occurred on the 2nd of November; however the article was nominated on 17 November, which is beyond the seven day requirement. The nominator is new to Wikipedia and DYK so a one-time IAR exemption could be considered provided no other issues exist, so I'll leave a message at WT:DYK regarding the date requirement. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 00:19, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

• This article has been five-fold expanded by a student editor and is new enough (IAR) and long enough. The hook facts are cited inline and I have added ALT1 to provide context, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. No QPQ is needed here. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:37, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

• Hi, I came by to promote this, but the hook does not accurately reflect the article, which says more than 1,000 people died as a result. I also feel the hook could be made a lot stronger with more detail. I could suggest something if you'd like. Yoninah (talk) 12:53, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

• Hello, thank you very much! I would definitely love to hear suggestions and really appreciate the help! Please go ahead and do as you please and thank you again. Stay well. FiertlA (talk) 05:50, 23 November 2020 (UTC)FiertlA

• ALT2: ... that 25 million tourists—2 ½ times the population of the entire state—visited the Mandakini River in Uttarakhand in 2011? Source: "Though, the state population is about 10 million, over 25 million tourists visited here in 2011 despite the fact that the state remains under frequent natural hazards in the forms of landslides, earthquakes and flash floods mainly during monsoon." ([https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2212420914000235 International Journal of Disaster Risk Reduction)
• I also added a "citation needed" tag to the first sentence under "Role in the establishment of surrounding villages". Yoninah (talk) 15:50, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

• Restoring thread. FiertlA please do not edit or write over previous posts; it makes it impossible to follow the discussion. I added your new hook as ALT1, but struck it because it is not correct: the article only talks about "over 1,000". I also struck the first hook. The ALT2 hook is already present in the thread, so there's no reason to repeat it at the top. If you have any more alts to add, please do so at the bottom of this thread. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 14:01, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

• The nominator has not been online for a week now, and based on his last comment, I wonder if he wants us to go ahead and approve a new hook. Pinging original reviewer Cwmhiraeth to review my hook suggestion. Yoninah (talk) 17:47, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

• Approving ALT2. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 20:05, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Mandakini River/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Chipmunkdavis (talk · contribs) 16:15, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Will review this soon. CMD (talk) 16:15, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

There are a few issues that still need to be addressed before this article reaches GA. Items listed below per the Wikipedia:Good article criteria.

1a) the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct

In general the prose is well-written. There's a couple of pieces of odd phrasing however. For example, "In Marathi-English, Mandākinī translates to 'the milky way' or 'the galaxy'" is about the meaning of the Marathi name, rather than being a term in a particular form of English.

1b) it complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation

Currently, the lead does not serve as a summary of the article, per WP:LEAD. It includes novel information that is not found in the article body. Examples include the exact number of 2011 tourists, information about the wildlife sanctuary, and the average rainfall levels.

2a) it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline

This requirement is met, all references are well-formatted.

2b) all inline citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines

While many sources are good, I am unconvinced by the reliability of what appears to be an independent youtube channel. Some of the papers don't seem too well-written but aren't covering very controversial points.

2c) it contains no original research

Doing spot checks I found there may be issues in the article with text-source integrity. For example, the statement "The Mandakini region is seismically and ecologically fragile due to its position along a collision zone" doesn't seem to be within the source cited. I also can't see where "The Madakini's rich pious significance dates back to its mention in the Srimad Bhagavad" is covered by the source used. I don't see how "Its plethora of ancient Hindu temples, including the Jagdamba temple and Shiva temple, also contribute to its holy significance. Over 10,000 pilgrims travel the main 16 km (9.9 mi) Kedarnath trek along the Mandakini every year to reach the Kedarnath temple. The trek can be completed on foot or on a mule's back for a small fee" relates to the soil erosion source cited for it.

2d) it contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism

"Well exposed crystalline rock groups in the Higher Himalayas and surrounding Kedarnath form the oldest crystalline base in the Himalayan region" is almost the same as the source's "the well exposed central crystalline rocks groups in the Higher Himalaya of Kedarnath valley form the oldest crystalline basement of the Himalaya".

3a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic

The article is quite short, and it seems even from the existing sources that there is a lot more that could be said. The Ecology section is particularly short, with little indication of wildlife present. The lead includes a note on a wildlife sanctuary, so there's clearly a decent topic here. There's also some information about ecology scattered in other areas that should be pulled here.

3b) it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).

While the overall article isn't unfocused, individual sections seem to meander. The Ecology section seems to cover more river course and general environmental information than information on Ecology. The Courses section goes into more information about the general environment than the course of the river. The History section seems more a current picture than a historical one, and includes information that would better fit in Etymology and Courses. The Environmental impacts section is a mixture of various affects and general background. There should be a previous section covering the general Geography/Environment. The overlaps among sections means there's some redundancy in the current text.

The article does appear neutral, stable, and well-illustrated. For further development ideas, there are several FA river articles which could serve as broad models. Best, CMD (talk) 04:15, 13 March 2021 (UTC)