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Per WP:LOST/Episode guidelines, this page should be moved from Man of Science, Man of Faith to Man of Science, Man of Faith (Lost), to make it consistent with the other Lost episodes at Category:Lost episodes. Anyone interested in supporting or opposing this move, or who believes that a different suffix should be used (such as "(Lost episode)"), or who wishes to comment in any way, is encouraged to participate at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Lost/Episode guidelines#Name suffix. --Elonka 14:16, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Plot

The introduction mentions "a late 1970s-era computer," which links to the article for the Apple II. If the episode shows an Apple II, perhaps the article should just state that. If it is indeed ambiguous, there should not be such a specific link.

The subsection "On The Island" mentions the resident of the hatch pointing a gun "at the side of his head." It is not clear whether the gun is pointed at Jack's head or Locke's head (although Jack's head makes more sense).

If these issues still exist by the time I watch the episode, I will edit the article again.

S4n1HS22WMX695In (talk) 19:46, 24 July 2009 (UTC)S4n1HS22WMX695In[reply]

Is it worth mentioning that in the emergency room flashback scene Jack has to make a decision as to which of two car accident victims to treat, and, choosing his future wife, the other victim, Shannon's father (Mr. Rutherford) succumbs to his wounds? The reference is fleeting and easily missed, so is it legitimately something worth mentioning? Or is it something best left for a reveal in a future ep? Just asking. 24.125.58.26 (talk) 14:02, 19 October 2009 (UTC)kjdamrau[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Ruby2010 talk 04:17, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I will review sometime in the next few days. Ruby2010 talk 04:17, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for criteria)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS):

The lead needs some more information about the episode's ratings Ruby2010 talk 00:27, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"While writing the season premiere, it was decided to pick up the hatch storyline..." - Who decided? The producers? Writers? Both? Ruby2010 talk 00:27, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"Starting in this episode, the castaways start abandoning the caves, which the producers considered a location hard to film and not aesthetically good" - Describing it as "good" sounds odd, so perhaps reword? Ruby2010 talk 00:27, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):

Perhaps had one or two more reviews of the episode? Ruby2010 talk 00:27, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars etc.:

A few cases of vandalism, but nothing to be worried about. Ruby2010 talk 00:27, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

I'm putting the article on hold for seven days while these minor issues get worked out. Thanks, Ruby2010 talk 00:27, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for editing per my suggestions. Please also look at the suggestions below, as the user brought up some good points. Ruby2010 talk 18:44, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Done those too. Anything else? igordebraga ≠ 01:18, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Good to go. Passed for GA. I'm also a big Lost fan, so great work! :) Ruby2010 talk 01:59, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Small nitpicking errors :)

There are a few faults to be found.

*Jack Shephard's struggles --> Jack Shephard's struggle

*which would later become his wife --> who would later....

*realtime --> either needs to be "real-time" or "real time"

*...decide to enter the now-open hatch shaft. --> decide to enter the, now open, hatch shaft. This also occurs again later on in the plot summary.

*Spinal cord injury could do with a link.

*the ability to walk is extremely unlikely. --> "would be extremely unlikely?" Make your own mind up on that one...

*During that he falls. Needs to be expanded in order to avoid confusion.

*search the jungle for Walt Lloyd's (Malcolm David Kelley) dog This is clunky. [Walt Lloyd|Walt]'s...?

*Then Locke appears --> Fine as a sentence, but it sounds more encyclopaedic as "Locke then appears"...

*when suddenly Kate realizes that there is something in there. Needs revision...

*rappels will probably need a link to abseiling, because I'm English and, it being Americanized, had to look up what it meant...

*but Locke then is revealed --> Locke is then...

*was frustrated at not revealing in the reception section, this doesn't make sense.

That Ole' Cheesy Dude (Talk to the hand!) 18:10, 15 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

*The beginning of the plot mentions that Jack doesn't want to wait, but John wants to go in in the morning, roughly. Isn't that the other way around? Apologies if I'm simply reading wrong.

Wrong Citation

The IGN review links to one of a different episode.ProfNax (talk) 11:42, 2 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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unverified content: possible WP:HOAX (or WP:COI)?

I am moving here the following unverified content which was recently added by USER:RoopeM [1] (possible WP:COI?):

==Influences== Finnish-American Philosopher R. M. Rudolf named a psychological phenomenon called Desmond's Dilemma after the show's character Desmond Hume. This behavioral bias (or adaptive bias) refers to a situation where minor and seemingly irrational rituals are perceived to cause disproportionate outcomes, thus rendering the behavior rational from a risk management standpoint. This behavioral pattern is often linked to superstitious or faith-based habits that an individual or a group believes to have dire consequences if stopped, such as using lucky numbers in a lottery or performing religious rituals. In particular, the phenomenon refers to Desmond's dilemmatic responsibility to keep entering a sequence of numbers (4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42) in a computer every 108 minutes to avert an unspecified "worldwide disaster".^[1]

References

^ Rudolf, R. M. (2020). Circulus Vitae: Ruminations on the Value of Truth. New York, NY: RMR New York Publishing. ISBN 978-952-94-3600-2.

In particular, the cited ISBN 978-952-94-3600-2 does not appear to exist, and the only Google search results for "Ruminations on the Value of Truth" refer to the present Wikipedia page and to Anthropocentrism (cf [2][3]). This apparent unverifiability of superficially plausible content raises concerns of a possible WP:HOAX.

86.186.168.245 (talk) 14:45, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@RoopeM: In addition to WP:COI about conflicts of interest on Wikipedia, please also see WP:SPS about the need to avoid using celf-published sources. Thank you, 86.186.168.245 (talk) 18:31, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[Rudolf_2020-1] Rudolf, R. M. (2020). Circulus Vitae: Ruminations on the Value of Truth. New York, NY: RMR New York Publishing. ISBN 978-952-94-3600-2.

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