Talk:Mallard II

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Review: August 10, 2021. (Reviewed version).

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A fact from Mallard II appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 5 August 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the wooden-hulled Mallard II (pictured), built in 1936, is "probably the oldest operating dredge in California"?

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:40, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The Mallard II near the Dumbarton Bridge in 2021

... that the wooden-hulled Mallard II (pictured), built in 1936, is "probably the oldest operating dredge in California"? Source: Refs 6 (Baxter, R. Scott; Allen, Rebecca; Hylkema, Mark G. (August 2007). "Cooley Landing: Cultural Resource Inventory and Assessment" (PDF). Palo Alto Online. City of East Palo Alto.) and 10 (San Francisco Bay Conservation and Development Commission (2020-12-18). "BCDC PERMIT NO. 2003.007.03" (PDF). California Department of Fish and Wildlife.) from the article
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Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Albert shako
Comment: I've never cared much about my hook getting its photo on the main page, and indeed don't think one of mine ever has, but if possible I'd love it for this one (since I took the photo and I think it's quite good).

Moved to mainspace by JPxG (talk). Self-nominated at 08:40, 18 July 2021 (UTC).[reply]

New, long enough, well-sourced. Provided source verifies the claim. My only question would be whether the quotes are really needed—why not just say that in wikivoice? I would also wikilink "dredge". GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 01:05, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't like them, but I thought "probably" wasn't encyclopedic enough. If you think it's fine, though, I think the hook would look better without them. jp×g 15:09, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 04:46, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Will review this soon. Hog Farm _Talk 04:46, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Salt ponds on which Mallard II is used must be kept at a higher water level than they otherwise would be, owing to her draft." - do we know the draft measurement?
Do any of the sources state what the dredger's dimensions were?
"using her clamshell bucket to remove material from a "borrow pit"; this material is then deposited atop the levee" - link borrow pit and remove the quotation marks, as it is a set-meaning term
"and prevent water from "flooding San Jose and other urban areas below the high-tide level"" - possibly an excessive use of a direct quote here for something that probably doesn't need to be a direct quote. Is there a way to rephrase this?
Image licensing is accurate
Sources are all reliable and are formatted well enough

A short article, but one that is well-written and doesn't seem to be missing much (looked to see if there were sources to be added, and nothing obvious stood out as missing). Good work; this shouldn't need much more work before it's good to promote. Hog Farm _Talk 18:37, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Hog Farm: Thanks for the feedback

Regarding draft, length, construction date etc: frankly, I've been scratching my head about measurements and specifications. I couldn't find any online when I was writing the article, and I'm not aware of any database that's got an entry for it. Even at marinetraffic.com, which shows a relatively current map of thousands of ships, doesn't seem to know Mallard II from Adam (I checked it a while ago, on a day when I'd seen it with my own eyes a few hours earlier; marinetraffic didn't show anything at said location). Searching for US ships named Mallard there turns up this, this, this, this, this, this, this, and this; none look remotely like Mallard II or are located anywhere near San Francisco Bay. I can, of course, find other dredgers in the area (such as DB IRONBOUND, for which I can get basic information like length and draft). My guess is that, since she roams in a small area and stays on private property, she might just not be registered or accessible in this type of database. I asked User:GreatLakesShips, who writes a lot of articles about ships, who also had no idea how to get better information about this type of thing. jp×g 01:58, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that someone took 59 high-resolution photos from a variety of different angles all around the vessel; going through all of them, I don't see anything that looks like a registration number (although it does say "MALLARD" on a plate at the front). jp×g 02:09, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to look too, and couldn't find anything either. Since it's apparently not stated in RS, don't worry about that as there's no real way to include it. Hog Farm _Talk 03:55, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I've gotten through the stuff you mentioned so far (as well as some overall copyediting and additional sources). I think the article could stand a little reorganization, although nothing in specific comes to mind for me. What do you think? jp×g 04:31, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's good enough to promote now, if you think it's ready to promote. (I think the new picture is a good addition, as well. Quite a fan of the shade of blue in the sky). Hog Farm _Talk 04:37, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Hog Farm: It seems good to me. I'm sure I'll come across more stuff later (perhaps in a print source), but it's likely going to be a ways off. jp×g 04:59, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]