Talk:Mahadevi Varma/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Whiteguru (talk · contribs) 03:08, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Whiteguru thanks for taking up the review. Do let me know your concerns if any during the review. Thank you. — Amkgp 💬 05:49, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Starts GA Review; the review will follow the same sections of the Article. --Whiteguru (talk) 03:08, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

 

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Lead

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• She was married, but she chose to live as a bachelor. Bachelor refers to males. Reference 6 says she chose to live an ascetic life, it is better to say this. Reference 7 is a dead link. It does not go to Taptilok.

Changed from bachelor to ascetic. Fixed the archive url for reference 7. Its live now. — Amkgp 💬 17:00, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

 Resolved

Life

Early life

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• Consider variant spellings, Varma, Verma. The article is titled (Varma) and many subsequent references and notations speak to Verma. Others speak to Varma. Google Doodle calls her 'Varma'. We need to discuss this.

Both are acceptable. But I have now made it 'Varma' everywhere (except for reference links and their headings) for consistency as well known sources that are WP:RS like JSTOR, Sahitya Akademi and Britannica uses 'Varma' and the Wikipedia article was originally named Mahadevi Varma. — Amkgp 💬 17:28, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

References

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Education

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• Reference 16 does not go to Mere Bachpan Ke Din (My Childhood Days).

Fixed the title for the quotation i.e. its Smrti Chitra. But, in reference 16 it is reported ...In her biography "Mere Bachpan Ke Din" (My Childhood Days), Mahadevi Varma wrote that at a time when a girl child was considered a burden upon the family, she was very fortunate to be born into a liberal family. — Amkgp 💬 17:39, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

References

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Professional career

Literary

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• Reference 25 does not go to Archive.org. Consider the following: https://web.archive.org/web/20160413033055/http://www.sawnet.org/books/authors.php?Verma+Mahadevi

Fixed the url — Amkgp 💬 17:45, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

• I have some difficulty accepting the statement that this lady is the pioneer of mysticism in Hindi literature. Sawnet and India Together references indicate this lady is a pioneer of feminism in India. See https://web.archive.org/web/20160413033206/http://indiatogether.org/women/people/varma.htm

Exaggerated translation fixed. Changed to 'feminism in India' — Amkgp 💬 17:45, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

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Women's advocacy

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• Reference 6 - and web searches do not confirm that Varma was chancellor of Prayag Mahila Vidyapeeth. There is clear evidence that Varma was the Principal. Please supply resource to validate the statement that Varma was also the Chancellor.

It was really a tough one as most well known newspapers and magazines copied the fact from Wikipedia who are generally WP:RELIABLE. I dropped 'Chancellor'. You are right she was indeed the principal but chancellor is wrong as its a college not a university. — Amkgp 💬 18:04, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

• It is not necessary to link to the Wikipedia page for Jhansi.

Unlinked Jhansi — Amkgp 💬 18:04, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

• We need a link to verify the following:

Under the influence of Mahatma Gandhi, she took up a public service and worked in Jhansi alongside Indian freedom struggle.

Found this and added. — Amkgp 💬 18:04, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

• Reference 29 is excellent.

Thanks for that — Amkgp 💬 18:04, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

References

Advocacy issues  Resolved

Works

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• Yes

Poetry

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• Links to poetry checked.

Prose

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• Reference 24 gives some English titles.

Others

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• Noted.

Criticism

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• Criticism seems to indicate that anguish, pain and compassion are real for Varma. Earlier section tells that this is not the case, it is all artificial. This very much relies on opinion. Let us first clarify this and give one source for it:

Throughout her creations, there are no visions of pain or anguish anywhere,

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Yes, its more of an opinion and a WP:AGF reference 33 is provided. — Amkgp 💬 18:12, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

References

source accepted;  Resolved

Honors and awards

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• Verified

Literary contributions

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• Please consider this statement: While Jaishankar Prasad gave naturalization to the Chhayavadi poetry, Suryakant Tripathi Nirala embodied the liberation in it and Sumitranandan Pant brought the art of delicateness, but Verma had the distinction of doing it in the background of cinematography. Cinematography does not make sense here. Please explain this context.

It was due to incorrect semi-translation by Google. I re-read and translated by myself. Actually, Varma embodied life to the Chhayavadi poetry as per hi:महादेवी_वर्मा#महादेवी_वर्मा_का_योगदान from ...प्राण-प्रतिष्ठा करने का गौरव महादेवी जी को ही प्राप्त है. Changed and added. — Amkgp 💬 18:22, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

correction of translation accepted.  Resolved

See also

• The Wikipedia Chhayavaad section is really weak compared to other sources (historical, other) on the Internet. Other links are OK.

The hi:छायावाद is more elaborate, but it's a herculean task even for a specialist to translate properly keeping the essence and ideas correct. Also lack of online references. — Amkgp 💬 18:28, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

This is really an observation rather than a criticism of the content in this article. If it were possible to obtain some other link, this would be good; nonetheless, your reply is satisfactory.

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References

Citations

• Nice to see Meera Kutir in Reference 27.

Sources

• Noted.

Notes

• Noted.

Further reading

• Noted.

External links

• Noted.

 

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End Matter

Is it is Broad in its coverage?

1. Is it reasonably well written?

• This lady has received Padma Bhushan and Padma Vibushan, and is one of the 50 illustrious women of India in modern times. This article does not give this sense. Fair to say that references are in Hindi, and this Shadowism - Chhayavaad had its moment as a form of romanticism in Hindi Poetry. My sense is that more has to be brought to this page, to illustrate the high points of her writing and her influence. What foundation or pathway did Varma lay for women to follow? Gandhi told he did not understand Kavi nor poetry, what through-going influence did he have?

@Whiteguru: She was influenced by Gandhi's call towards freedom struggle and she participated in it. Plus, Gandhi claimed he had no understanding of poetry and refused to attend the kavi sammelan (poet conference), but Verma never forgave him and wrote about the incident years later. is the only verified information available.

I have added a paragraph in Women's advocacy about state of women which is greatly reflected in her works. Apart from that I searched thoroughly, but did not find anything new. Everybody have copied from Wikipedia. It was really surprising.

References

More End Matter Stuff:

• Does it follow the neutral point of view policy?
• No. Several opinions are cited. Some of this has to be cleaned up and stronger exegesis / examinations of poetry / be given.
  • Matter considered satisfactory.

Can you point out the areas. So that I may try or things that can be dropped. — Amkgp 💬 18:30, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

See above --Whiteguru (talk) 03:05, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

1. Is it stable?

• Page was created on 3 March 2004. In last 30 days, it has had 17,118 page views. There have been 834 edits to the page. Robots and bots have been on the page, and images have been removed due lack of permission. Bots don't understand Hindi and have removed Hindi text (Itrans) as possible vandalism. There are instances of editors - who do not indicate mastery of Hindi, reverting edits in Hindi as spam. There have been instances of vandalism in the page history. There is also evidence of editors deleting links because they are in Hindi and not English. Page is subject to persistent vandalism. An edit protection request has been submitted.

1. Top editors are

• Amkgp
• TryKid
• 180.215.175.67
• Gazal world
• Roland zh

• It is illustrated by images ?
• Yes.

Overall

• Come Holi, this page is going to get a lot of views.

Conclusion

• Let's attend to the matters raised above.
• Thank you --Whiteguru (talk) 08:29, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

  @Whiteguru:, I have addressed your concerns, fixed errors and implemented suggestion wherever possible. Looking forward for an affirmative decision regarding the GA. Thank you. — Amkgp 💬 18:31, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

  @Amkgp:, If you can attend to the Broad Coverage issues raised (influence of Gandhi) this will resolve all outstanding matters. --Whiteguru (talk) 03:03, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

  @Whiteguru:, I could find that she was influenced by Gandhi's call to freedom struggle and she participated in it which is already covered in the article. I also find a commentary that I have mentioned above. Besides this, I added some interpretations of her works that expresses the state of women during those times. — Amkgp 💬 05:20, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

  @Amkgp:: These updates now give a good polish to the role of Mahadevi Varma in the Chhayawadi era in Hindi literature. Good references, well expressed. Thank you for your work here. --Whiteguru (talk) 07:00, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

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